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                    <title>Bo Rich on My First Model 21</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Dave, very nice Model 21.  Nice shotgun  for grouse.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2026 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Dave M. on My First Model 21</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Picked this up at a LGS. I think it's been reblued, but otherwise in great condition.</p>
<p>First year production, two triggers, 26" barrels, choked cyl, and mod.</p>
<p>Your thoughts?</p>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Another Savage 1899, about as close to a Winchester 1894 from the era as one can get…</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>As a Southerner born and bred, I will only say that’s the ugliest gun I’ve ever seen – bless its heart. -Zeb</p>
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<p>One of my early mentors was Steve Camp, one day we were discussing an ugly gun I shot well and enjoyed shooting. He told me something that stuck with me, "Pretty is as pretty does". I recently put together a gun so ugly it's kinda cute. I won't win any beauty contests and neither will a few of my guns, that's OK by me. We get the job done!</p>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Another Savage 1899, about as close to a Winchester 1894 from the era as one can get…</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Tony, </p>
<p>They are both long since dead. </p>
<p>The late John Wright was the London-trained Englishman who was the first person to head the Winchester Repeating Arms Custom Shop. </p>
<p>His successor in that position was the late Robert W. Owen, who went on to establish his own custom stockmaking trade. </p>
<p>These gentlemen brought their refined taste for the English magazine stalking rifle, as seen in the prewar Holland and Rigby Mausers, to Winchester. </p>
<p>The Model 54 and 70 Super Grade (and in miniature, the 52 Sporting) stocks owe their long, tapering forearms, ebony-like forearm tips in lieu of schnabble beaks, and the graceful lines of their pistol grips and cheek rests, to Wright and Owen. </p>
<p>Owen was one of the leading lights in the  early years of the "American classic" design movement and Alvin Linden, Alvin Biesen, Monty Kennedy, Lenard Brownell, Earl Milliron, et al. were his followers and essentially his students. </p>
<p>It is unfortunate that their successors - David Miller and D'Arcy Echols, to name two of the very best still practicing the trade -- have to charge so much for their work to make even a modest living that their rifles have become investments incapable of being hunted except by the wealthy, who very sensibly won't take them out in the rain. </p>
<p>Anyone who has seen any of the late Jack O'Connor's sheep rifles built by various top-shelf makers, principally but not exclusively Al Biesen, knows they wear a lot of scars and have been refinished more than once because of weather. </p>
<p>You pays your money and you takes your choice. My bad weather hunting is behind me so I'm not put to any choice except what my pocketbook dictates.</p>
<p>As always, I wish you and whatever weapon you choose to take afield the very best success-- plus hoping you don't hurt yourself in dangerous  terrain. </p>
<p>However, if you ever send me a photograph of yourself holding that Flash Gordon ray gun next to a B&#038;C Elk,  I would be tempted to fire up Photoshop and substitute my Shiloh Sharps saddle rifle into your hands. And publish it, but only to preserve and defend my friend's reputation as a man of taste and fondness for the good things of this life. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2026 16:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on Another Savage 1899, about as close to a Winchester 1894 from the era as one can get…</title>
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Chuck said<br />
A large majority of the target rifles today are 700 clones.  All 3 of mine are.<br />
Chuck,<br />
You're absolutely correct, as Remington's patent expired a few years ago, many are offering the custom rifles on the 700 platform as you stated. Here's one we just had made up for out west, in a 7 PRC, Caliber.</p>
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<p>Tony,  There is no doubt in my mind that 7 PRC could put one through a coyote's earhole at whatever distance you'd care to name.  But - every time they see a picture of it, the shades of John Wright and Bob Owen moan "the horror" and weep bitter tears. <br />
As a Southerner born and bred, I will only say that's the ugliest gun I've ever seen - bless its heart. <br />
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<p>Bill,</p>
<p>I'm an ole' traditionalist myself, and can understand you're feelings. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, where different stroked surly apply. It's definitely a tool built specifically, for out west Elk hunts this fall in New Mexico, and Montana, and hopefully beyond.  My oldest Son won't have to worry about scratchin the Deluxe wood on it, and who ever those two gentlemen you mentioned, can keep they're moaning in their bedroom, along with they're snivlin towel, as a closed mind, never opens. <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /></p>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Another Savage 1899, about as close to a Winchester 1894 from the era as one can get…</title>
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Chuck said<br />
A large majority of the target rifles today are 700 clones.  All 3 of mine are.<br />
Chuck,<br />
You're absolutely correct, as Remington's patent expired a few years ago, many are offering the custom rifles on the 700 platform as you stated. Here's one we just had made up for out west, in a 7 PRC, Caliber.</p>
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<p>Tony,  There is no doubt in my mind that 7 PRC could put one through a coyote's earhole at whatever distance you'd care to name.  But - every time they see a picture of it, the shades of John Wright and Bob Owen moan "the horror" and weep bitter tears. </p>
<p>As a Southerner born and bred, I will only say that's the ugliest gun I've ever seen - bless its heart. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2026 02:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on Another Savage 1899, about as close to a Winchester 1894 from the era as one can get…</title>
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<strong>Chuck said </strong><br />
A large majority of the target rifles today are 700 clones.  All 3 of mine are.</p>
<p>Chuck,</p>
<p>You're absolutely correct, as Remington's patent expired a few years ago, many are offering the custom rifles on the 700 platform as you stated. Here's one we just had made up for out west, in a 7 PRC, Caliber.</p>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Winchester Model 12 16 ga</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hunting is considerably less expensive. </p>
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                    <title>Chuck on Winchester Model 12 16 ga</title>
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<p>Chuck said<br />
Nice shotgun.  My Dad gave me my first gun in 1960, a Model 12 in 16 ga. made in 1930.  Wish I still had it.<br />
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<p>Chuck,<br />
I just saw this.  In 1960, I was 16 years old. If I had been given my choice of (a) a 16 gauge Model 12; or (b) a romantic weekend with a Hollywood starlet of my selection......<br />
Of course I'd have opted for the weekend but it would have been only after a considerable period of struggle. <br />
Your Dad deserved an A+ in Enlightened Fatherhood. <br />
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<p>I was just 10.  Girls were not on top of my list then.  Actually they were number 2 at best even when I got a little older.  Having fun with my friends was 1st until I got married. I had one friend that would disappear completely when he got a new girlfriend.  He's on his 3rd or 4th wife. </p>
<p>My Dad's priorities were always, hunting, drinking and women.  He never let drinking or women get in the way of hunting.  He would never drink before or during hunting.  But, when I got to where I could navigate a car he would make me drive so he could drink his beer on the way home. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2026 18:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Winchester Model 12 16 ga</title>
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<p><strong>Chuck said </strong><br />
Nice shotgun.  My Dad gave me my first gun in 1960, a Model 12 in 16 ga. made in 1930.  Wish I still had it.<br />
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<p>Chuck,</p>
<p>I just saw this.  In 1960, I was 16 years old. If I had been given my choice of (a) a 16 gauge Model 12; or (b) a romantic weekend with a Hollywood starlet of my selection......</p>
<p>Of course I'd have opted for the weekend but it would have been only after a considerable period of struggle. </p>
<p>Your Dad deserved an A+ in Enlightened Fatherhood. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2026 17:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><span class="font-semibold">“Oh, the humanity!”</span></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2026 03:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Big Red, eat your heart out!🤣</p>
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                    <title>KyleS on Verifying manufacturing dates</title>
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<p><strong>Steven Gabrielli said </strong><br />
I’m sure he meant 670, that sn I’m guessing is 1966, I believe they started the 670 at 100000. It was discontinued in the late 70s.<br />
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<p>yes, You are correct I meant to 670. Thank you everyone for the information.</p>
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                    <title>Buck1967 on Verifying manufacturing dates</title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong><br />
Buck,  the OP describes his father's .270 as a Model 670, not a Model 70. If that is not a typo -- and he's described the number twice -- it cannot have been made in 1949. <br />
Kyle, could you please verify that the Model number of your Dad's .270 is "670" or "70"?<br />
Thanks<br />
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<p>Good catch Zeb! Apologies for my mistake there and appreciate the assist!</p>
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