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                    <title>Bert H. on Genuine Pre-War Model 70 in 303 British</title>
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<p><strong>JWA said </strong><br />
if you mean several of the .303 British I agree with you. 😉 but US Cartridge Company purchased WAY more than several single shots for testing purposes, I have "several" of them myself (but mine are all .22 rimfire).<br />
I can add some to the upcoming Winchester Single Shot Musket "show and tell" at Cody (NOT a judged display) if you want to completely fill my sales table if there is interest?  That is the beauty of my old Dodge Cummins,, to paraphrase the Field of Dreams movie, "if you ask, it will haul" 🙂<br />
Best Regards,<br />
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<p>Please send me digital photos of your U.S.C.Co. marked singles shots with the serial numbers.  No need to pack your old Dodge Cummins with too many old Single Shots.</p>
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                    <title>JWA on Genuine Pre-War Model 70 in 303 British</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>if you mean several of the .303 British I agree with you. 😉 but US Cartridge Company purchased WAY more than several single shots for testing purposes, I have "several" of them myself (but mine are all .22 rimfire).</p>
<p>I can add some to the upcoming Winchester Single Shot Musket "show and tell" at Cody (NOT a judged display) if you want to completely fill my sales table if there is interest?  That is the beauty of my old Dodge Cummins,, to paraphrase the Field of Dreams movie, "if you ask, it will haul" 🙂</p>
<p>Best Regards,</p>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Genuine Pre-War Model 70 in 303 British</title>
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<p><strong>Anthony said </strong><br />
Bert,<br />
Is this from you're Survey pics, you've taken from Cody?<br />
Very interesting!<br />
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Tony<br />
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<p>I copied &#038; saved the pictures from RIA's digital catalog when those rifles were sold in past auctions.  The rifles with the red tags on them were in the Peter &#038; Patty Murray collection.  I had the opportunity to personally handle them back in the Fall of 2002. In the past 30-years years I have had my hands on at least a dozen of the Single Shot Test cartridge rifles.</p>
<p>In addition to the Single Shot rifles that Winchester used for their own inhouse testing and cartridge development, the U.S. Cartridge Company and Dupont purchased Single Shot rifles for testing purposes. The attached picture below is just one of several that was purchased and used by the U.S. Cartridge Company for testing cartridges.</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="640" data-height="480" title="118477-USCCO.jpg" alt="118477-USCCO.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/04/118477-USCCO.jpg" /></p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2026 00:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on Genuine Pre-War Model 70 in 303 British</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bert,</p>
<p>Is this from you're Survey pics, you've taken from Cody?</p>
<p>Very interesting!<img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
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<p>Tony</p>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Genuine Pre-War Model 70 in 303 British</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I have added some pictures showing Single Shot Test Rifles...</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="777" data-height="416" title="HW-Test-Rifle-35-S.L.-113121.jpg" alt="HW-Test-Rifle-35-S.L.-113121.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/04/HW-Test-Rifle-35-S.L.-113121.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="540" data-height="360" title="HW-Test-Rifle-35-S.L.-113121-1.jpg" alt="HW-Test-Rifle-35-S.L.-113121-1.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/04/HW-Test-Rifle-35-S.L.-113121-1.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="777" data-height="416" title="HW-Test-Rifle-401-S.L.-101277.jpg" alt="HW-Test-Rifle-401-S.L.-101277.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/04/HW-Test-Rifle-401-S.L.-101277.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="540" data-height="323" title="HW-Test-Rifle-401-S.L.-101277-1.jpg" alt="HW-Test-Rifle-401-S.L.-101277-1.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/04/HW-Test-Rifle-401-S.L.-101277-1.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="777" data-height="416" title="HW-Test-Rifle-401-S.L.-113122.jpg" alt="HW-Test-Rifle-401-S.L.-113122.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/04/HW-Test-Rifle-401-S.L.-113122.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="540" data-height="360" title="HW-Test-Rifle-401-S.L.-113122-1.jpg" alt="HW-Test-Rifle-401-S.L.-113122-1.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/04/HW-Test-Rifle-401-S.L.-113122-1.jpg" /></p>
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                    <title>Anthony on Okay not a Winchester, but a fine Savage 1899 is a close second…</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>That would make sense, as the .25 Creedmoor seems to be pretty close in comparison. Not that I have experience with either, but it just stands to reason to me. <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Okay not a Winchester, but a fine Savage 1899 is a close second…</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Tony, I would suppose it would be the 25 Creedmoor,  which is a sort of magnumized 250 Savage.. It operates at considerably higher chamber pressure -- 62,000 psi.  And is designed to handle heavier bullets at about the same velocity the Savage handles a 100 grain bullet, 2850 fs. The Creedmoor requires a faster rate of twist than the Savage. </p>
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                    <title>Anthony on Okay not a Winchester, but a fine Savage 1899 is a close second…</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Interesting!</p>
<p>Bill, what would be the closest other caliber, that you would compare the 250-3000 caliber to?</p>
<p>I killed my first, and several other Deer at our PA, hunt camp, with a Savage 99, in the .300 Savage caliber, that worked very well for me, as a rifle loaned me from me future Father in Law, at the time, 50 years ago. Then my Wife bought me a .375 Winchester, and using the 200 gr. factory ammo, we lost count as several made it to the freezer with that tremendous brush gun, on our heavily wooded , and loaded with under brush property.<img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
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<p>Tony</p>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Okay not a Winchester, but a fine Savage 1899 is a close second…</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>In passing,  I have killed more Whitetailed deer with a 250-3000 than with anything else. Granted, I don't shoot at deer at long range (over 250 yards absolute max) but nothing I've ever used on a Whitetail killed them any quicker than the 250 in a high lung shot. Many fell like they had been electrocuted. And I've killed them with a 30/06, 7mm magnum, 280, 270, 6mm Rem, 243, and 30 Winchester. The two six millimeters needed a controlled expansion bullet but the 250 got it done with plain old 100 grain Power Points out of an 18.5" barrel. Likely because the bullets impacted at no more than 2500-2600 fs to penetrate but expand violently. Not many exit wounds but the thoracic cavity north of the diaphragm was a mess and the cardiac arteries were exploded. All with pop gun noise and recoil. </p>
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                    <title>steve004 on Okay not a Winchester, but a fine Savage 1899 is a close second…</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Back to Savages - show me your photos of your Model 1895's SRC's.  I would love to see them.  I have none to show but sure wish I did.  </p>
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<strong>kevindpm61 said </strong><br />
Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong but, I think the 250-3000 was the first American cartridge to go over 3000 ft./s.  I believe it was the 280 Ross that went over 3000 ft./s first<br />
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<p>Well Kevin... Absolutely!  The .280 Ross was a very impressive development.  I am very familiar with this cartridge.  Ballistics, case capacity and bullet is very similar to the 7mm Remington Magnum.  The big difference is the .280 Ross came out 55 years earlier than the 7 Rem mag.</p>
<p>By the way, I've enjoyed the Savage photos and I could post a few myself, but I see there's a scarcity of .280 Ross photos so I can fix that.  Here's an M-10:</p>
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<p>The post Ross M1905 actions (i.e. the M1907 Scotch Deerstalker and the M-10 sporter) started in 1907 and very closely resembled the Weatherby Mk V multi-lug action that Roy came out in 1958.  The Ross action had no comparison as far as strength (as was proven by E.C. Crossman in his destruction testing of various rifle actions).  I recall Crossman took a .280 Ross case, filled it with a pistol powder (of the day of course). He filled it to the top of the case mouth and then used a bullet to keep compressing deeper in the case.  He then greased the case and fired it.  And he could not blow the action!  The rifle was damaged but the action didn't blow.  </p>
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                    <title>Anthony on model 1894 25-35 WCF</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I am in full agreement with Bert, and Bill, (Zebulon). </p>
<p>I would not put any $$$ into this, as they stated. Some wood glue, applied carefully, can repair the crack, and like was said you can tone down the look of the non professional job that was done to this piece to make it at least look presentable, and not trying to hide anything, or fool anyone. I'm pretty sure on the left top of the receiver, some pitting, under the distasteful re blue finish, is evident on the receiver. Zebulon is spot on with his recommendation, on how to save you're pocketbook from chasing this one down that infamous rabbit hole that will never please you. Bert's 3 times the cost is spot on. Spend the saved $$ on a real masterpiece, and just keep going as a lesson learned! IMHO! <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
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                    <title>Zebulon on model 1894 25-35 WCF</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>As Bert says, the damage is such that it cannot be undone at any reasonable cost. </p>
<p>If the gun has no sentimental value - an inheritance,  for example,  I would not throw good money after bad. There is a market for shiny old Winchesters and cashing out of it makes the most sense, to me anyway.</p>
<p>If it IS an inheritance and the bore and mechanicals are good enough to hunt with, there are some things you could do yourself or might have done at modest cost to make the gun less painful.to the eye, although It will never be collectible:</p>
<p>With the rifle disassembled, taking care not to round any edges, knock the gloss off the wood with 0000 steel wool. Don't remove any wood, just flatten the top layer of finish. If 4-0 isn't enough, drop back to 000 or 00 but use a very light touch. With care, the finish can be made to <em>approximate</em> oil. It would help if you have seen the various Winchesters on display at Cody. </p>
<p>The other step is more drastic and that is to age the steel, which requires flattening the existing blue and removing it realistically in places - sharp edges and at the carry point. This is at best fooling the eye because the real problem was overpolishing the bare steel. But it can create an imperfect illusion of an older finish. </p>
<p>None of the foregoing will fool a knowledgeable collector but it would make the gun more appealing in appearance. More to a knowledgeable person's taste, I expect including you. </p>
<p>I can say these things with a clear conscience because I've been down this road myself. Like the man trying to carry his tomcat home by its tail, I learned some lessons that will never grow dim or doubtful. </p>
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                    <title>Bert H. on model 1894 25-35 WCF</title>
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bStrongTO said<br />
I know this thread is older, but it’s a great title.<br />
Unfortunately the lack of experience may have contributed to this disaster. When trying to confirm any markings on who or where the refurbishment, based on notes past down done in 1970, a little splitting of the wood.<br />
SN shows 1911, I’m waiting for the letters.<br />
I’m hoping to get this done by Turnbull case coloring. Any ideas? The blueing and finish on the wood is a little wrong dates?<br />
Luckily we have a few other models, but in 1894 1 94’ 25-35 (1911)1 30 (1901). <br />
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<p>As you can see this one stands out and seems like it needs a little change?<br />
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<p>The damage that was done to it when it was non-professionally refinished is too extensive to recover from.  The cost to have it properly restored will be approximately 3X what the gun would be worth.  Case color finishing it would only make worse as it is not the correct finish type for a 1911 production Model 1894.  Winchester ceased case color finishing in August of the year 1901.  All receiver frames were machine blued, and the barrels and magazine tubes were rust blued.</p>
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<p><strong>bStrongTO said </strong><br />
I know this thread is older, but it’s a great title.<br />
Unfortunately the lack of experience may have contributed to this disaster. When trying to confirm any markings on who or where the refurbishment, based on notes past down done in 1970, a little splitting of the wood.<br />
SN shows 1911, I’m waiting for the letters.<br />
I’m hoping to get this done by Turnbull case coloring. Any ideas? The blueing and finish on the wood is a little wrong dates?<br />
Luckily we have a few other models, but in 1894 1 94’ 25-35 (1911)1 30 (1901). </p>
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<p>As you can see this one stand<span>s</span> out and seems like it needs a little change?</p>
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