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                    <title>Bo Rich on Spring 2026</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bert!  That is the gun that I saw.  Was not interested in buying it.  The gun just caught my attention.  If I remember right He wanted either $60,000 or perhaps it was $80,000 for the gun.  So, I thought it best not to take a closer look.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2026 19:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Spring 2026</title>
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<p><strong>Bo Rich said </strong><br />
Bert,  Read. your article on the Model 1897 last night.  Very nicely done.  Interestingly at the last OGCA/ WACA last September.  I saw a engraved 20 gauge Model 1897.  It was in a fancy case, and had a big price on it.  The person who owned it said that it was the only Model 1897 made in 20 gauge.  <br />
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<p>I have seen that gun listed for sale several times in the past years... it is a 100% Fake. The last time I encountered it was in the Ward's Auction in Oregon.</p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000">Ward's August 2019 auction description:</span><br />
<span style="color: #ff0000">EXTREMELY RARE GOLD INLAID &#038; ENGRAVED Winchester Model 1897 BLACK DIAMOND TRAP, 20 ga. Cal., MFG. 1909, SN: 440708, 2-3/4?, 28'' (marked FULL) solid rib 2 bead barrel, Pump Action Shotgun. As far as is known, no production 20 ga. Model 1897s ever left the Winchester factory as there are no records of such. However, it has been said there were several special working prototypes produced. This interesting &#038; possibly unique custom 20 ga. shotgun has the usual Winchester markings on right side. Left side is marked ''MODEL 1897 -WINCHESTER- 20 GA. FULL over -TRADEMARK-''. The operating slide is marked ''MODEL 1897 -WINCHESTER-''. The bolt is engraved ''TRAP GUN''. Action is blued &#038; engraved with large scroll &#038; shaded backgrounds in style closely corresponding to number 6-12 pattern. With six large figures in gold of dogs &#038; quail inlaid on both left &#038; right receiver panels. There is also gold vine inlay at edges of action. The rarity of the gun is featured &#038; discussed with pictures on page 66 of the book ''Winchester Shotguns'' by Dennis Adler, forwarded by R.L. Wilson. In it they indicate the panel scenes are reminiscent of early sketches by Conrad F. Urich &#038; John Ulrich. The beautiful flame figured American walnut, straight grip buttstock features hand checkering &#038; inlaid black diamonds on both sides of grip. The small style forend has matching high grade wood &#038; checkering. Buttstock measures 13-3/4? over composition Winchester buttplate. Both metal &#038; wood retain nearly all of their finishes, with slight rub marks on magazine tube from normal operation. Bore is excellent, bright &#038; shiny. Overall condition is minty. Esthetically gorgeous &#038; exceptionally rare as a 20 ga. 1897.* FFL or C&#038;R Req. - Value: 7500 to 15000</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000">Bert</span></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2026 16:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bo Rich on Spring 2026</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bert,  Read. your article on the Model 1897 last night.  Very nicely done.  Interestingly at the last OGCA/ WACA last September.  I saw a engraved 20 gauge Model 1897.  It was in a fancy case, and had a big price on it.  The person who owned it said that it was the only Model 1897 made in 20 gauge.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2026 13:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on Spring 2026</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Gentlemen,</p>
<p>I'm in agreement here on the many comments on this Model. I also enjoy Bert's work, and look forward to digging in on this article. Being a little busy as of late, I received my copy earlier in the week, and only recently glazed through it, and can't wait to get into the meat and potatoes on his recent article, which I know that I will enjoy.<img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
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<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2026 10:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Spring 2026</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Great article, haven't been to the PO yet to pick it up but enjoyed a preview awhile back. Very helpful in understanding the history and features of a grand old gun. I'm an old school cop and have a lot of respect for a Winchester pump as a fighting gun. My buddy Wes Lanier had some nice 1897's on his table this past weekend and I needed blinders! </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2026 23:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Spring 2026</title>
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<strong>Henry Mero said </strong><br />
Bert,I am not much in to shotguns, they do come along once in a while, but I gotta say thanks for Your contribution/study on the 1897, very informative. I am now a little more knowledge able on them. Thanks again Bert for Your efforts.<br />
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<p>As always, thanks for the positive feed back<img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Cool" alt="Cool" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-cool.gif" /></p>
<p>Scatterguns (shotguns) were the actual mainstay gun for the majority of the people who settled the west and the North American continent. Nothing was more intimidating than a shotgun loaded with buckshot! </p>
<p>For many years (decades), the Winchester Model 1897 was the primary gun that every small-town Sheriff or Police Department had in their gun racks, banks guards had them handy, railway companies, security companies, stage coaches and Express companies, saloon keepers... etc.   It was inevitable that it would be selected to serve with our Military forces around the globe in two World Wars and several other major military conflicts.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2026 16:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Spring 2026</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Those 1897's are a rabbit hole of their own!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2026 14:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Henry Mero on Spring 2026</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bert,I am not much in to shotguns, they do come along once in a while,but I gotta say thanks for Your contribution/study on the 1897, very informative. I am now a little more knowledge able on them. Thanks again Bert for Your efforts.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2026 14:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Deg on Spring 2026</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Received mine today - running off to a Skeet Shoot now, will have to critique it later. <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Wink" alt="Wink" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2026 17:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Brodg88 on Research help – Leopold Bernard lever-action rifle referenced in Winchester Repeater?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Chuck that is SO helpful, thank you! This copy is sealed, so, now I feel ok opening it up.<br />
The rest is still coming in the mail.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2026 03:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on Research help – Leopold Bernard lever-action rifle referenced in Winchester Repeater?</title>
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<p><strong>Brodg88 said </strong><br />
Chuck,<br />
I was formally gifted this rifle, so I'm trying to figure out what it is and what to do with it!<br />
I'm enjoying the history sleuthing project.<br />
UPDATE:<br />
I have ordered 2 magazines, the Wilson Book, and the Little John's Auction catalogue so I can have hard copies of everything. I also have a friend who may have the original James Julia catalogue as well. <br />
I'll report back on these as they come in and scan/upload everything I find as well as thoughts on how well the images/descriptions match this rifle. <br />
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<p>Well, you don't need this any more, but here it is.</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="5035" data-height="3333" title="French-Rifle-2.jpg" alt="French-Rifle-2.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/cwachter/2026/03/French-Rifle-2.jpg" width="100" height="66" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2026 18:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Chuck,</p>
<p>I was formally gifted this rifle, so I'm trying to figure out what it is and what to do with it!<br />
I'm enjoying the history sleuthing project.</p>
<p>UPDATE:<br />
I have ordered 2 magazines, the Wilson Book, and the Little John's Auction catalogue so I can have hard copies of everything. I also have a friend who may have the original James Julia catalogue as well. </p>
<p>I'll report back on these as they come in and scan/upload everything I find as well as thoughts on how well the images/descriptions match this rifle. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2026 03:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on Research help – Leopold Bernard lever-action rifle referenced in Winchester Repeater?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Do you own this rifle or are you contemplating buying it or selling it?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2026 17:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Anything is better than nothing! Thank you!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2026 02:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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<p><strong>Brodg88 said </strong><br />
Chuck, is there any way you could share a picture of those pages with me? I have a copy of the book but it's unopened and was $75 so I'm trying to validate before I commit. <br />
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Those Ebay listings are unbelievable, WOW! Thank you!<br />
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<p>The picture is spread over the 2 pages.  I can take a picture but I am not going to flatten out this book to do so.  You will get what I can easily take. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2026 01:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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