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                    <title>Zebulon on A Justifiable Restoration</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Tony, </p>
<p>You are gracious.</p>
<p>As you know, in Texas we have large -- almost unhealthy -- populations of the Rio Grande turkey subspecies,  from Westward of a North-to-South line drawn through Fort Worth to Austin to San Antonio and Laredo.  <em>Meleagris Gallopavo Intermedia </em>is slightly smaller and reputedly more gullible than its <em>Silvestris </em>Eastern Gobbler cousin, although they have wised up considerably after Texas introduced a Gobblers Only Spring Season in 1989. </p>
<p>I mention this because Texas permits hunting the Rio with a centerfire rifle and the 25 and 32 Winchester cartridges are really ideal for that purpose. While I know the 22 Hornet is supposed to be the ultimate wild turkey round,  I have considerable experience with it on turkeys and it needs to be handloaded down to no more than 2000 foot seconds, preferably less, if body shots are taken. </p>
<p>Among my peers on a couple of leases in West Texas, sniping clueless turkeys with headshots at 100 yards with a scoped high velocity rifle is considered the moral equivalent of shooting your own bird dog. It does not require the skill and artistry of calling a bird into spitting distance before whacking him mid-strut. At that distance, it matters not whether you use rifle, handgun, or shotgun but meat damage becomes a consideration if a single projectile is used -- the head is never still and headshots are too risky </p>
<p>The 25 Winchester with 86 grain lead at 1200 - 1400 foot seconds, fired from a tang sighted Model 92 cannot be beat. Given our large populations in some counties, hens are legal as well and a lever gun can be very handy.  </p>
<p>So, here in the Lone Star State,  this little Winchester has considerable utility. I restored it to use, not just to look at</p>
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                    <title>Anthony on A Justifiable Restoration</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>BILL,</p>
<p>I can certainly understand what you chose to do here. Not being a true piece you would collect, but instead, a very nice and accurate shooter, that you brought justice to. </p>
<p>I applaud you for you're evaluation and how you handled it! This is a good example of bringing something back from being a poor example, and not spending a fortune to try to make it something that it wasn't! <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
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<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2026 19:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on 1886 Winchester Sticks at chambering</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I had a Krag that closed hard and I didn’t notice at first but it was denting the case shoulder. I couldn’t see what was causing it without having a borescope.  I rented a chamber reamer for $80 and that corrected the problem.  It closes on no go but not a field now.  It was one of the old mail order 1903 rebarrels    I like what Tim suggested about the 45-70. Sounds like an easy way to check the chamber.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2026 18:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on To restore a collectible Winchester or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>James, I think you've set out a couple of points of general agreement: </p>
<p>First, that there is a material difference between repairing (restoring to mechanical functionality) a gun of collectible condition, on one hand, and restoring or "improving" its cosmetic condition - thereby destroying its originality - on the other. </p>
<p>Second, that there is a point of no return, most typically because of a prior, egregious "restoration" but also because of corrosion and neglect, at which the gun has no "original condition" and can be used in whole or in part as a restoration of the same or another gun. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2026 17:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>tim tomlinson on 1886 Winchester Sticks at chambering</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I should think if the chamber length is in question, seating a .45-70 might give that answer.  If it is headspace vs chamber length, then a similar situation would also occur.  Not a matter I have any experience with tho, but the cartridge bases are supposedly the same.  Tim</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2026 16:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on A Justifiable Restoration</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The thing that is a jarring note about the Walnut is it is flatsawn sapwood and at least one cathedral of grain shows. Of course, Winchester never wasted anything but my impression is their 19th Century wood was riftsawn heartwood, when they could get it. [CHUCK, if you see this, please comment.] </p>
<p>Of course, this gun's d.o.m. [per Bert] was 1929 when the kitchen sink was likely being used for material, so maybe a sapwood stock is semi-authentic? </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2026 16:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on A Justifiable Restoration</title>
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<p>MidwestCrisis said<br />
That appears to be a brand new 1929 92 to someone like me.  <br />
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<p>Yeah to me too! It looks amazing and would love to see the before pics if any exist. If you are feeling guilty for owning a restoration and need to get rid of it to cleanse your soul, I will be happy to give you back your original $399 😉 Kidding of course. Great job Zeb and thanks for sharing!<br />
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<p>Buck, I was still in harness then and enamored of Kimber of Oregon and Sturm Ruger rifles, having been soured on Winchester products since 1964. My re-awakeming came later when I rescued a nice 1950 Model 70 Supergrade 30 Govt '06 from a local consignment rack. </p>
<p>I wish I had taken "before" photos of this  92 as well.  My Dad was still alive and we had it in his workshop, installing a tall brass blade he'd made I could file down as needed to zero the gun with the Lyman tang. Whoever had installed the Lyman never changed the front sight to match. I'd give a lot to have a photo of Dad with the rifle clamped in his big Wilton machinist's vice (between softwood blocks.)</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2026 16:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on A Justifiable Restoration</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Scott was and is an excellent and meticulous craftsman. Decades ago,  when he was the in-house gunsmith for old Nix and making custom stocks on the side, there was a restocked and rebarreled Winchester Highwall in a glass counter, one a customer ordered and failed to pick up and pay for. It was chambered for 280 Ackley Improved and was stocked in exhibition grade French Walnut with lots of 24 LPI checkering in a point pattern. The steel was rust blued or salts blued to match (a feat largely achieved in the polishing), and the barrel was 28" half-octagon.  There was a quarter rib for a scope. </p>
<p>Scott was asking $4700 and that included a set of custom dies. Now, that money was the 2026 equivalent of at least six or seven grand and was well over my pay grade then (and now.) </p>
<p>But it showed me what he could do when he was let. I would put his work up against Dale Goens, Earl Milliron, or Al Biesen for grace and execution.  </p>
<p>I've always felt I got a small piece of Scott's work at a bargain price. </p>
<p>Did I mention how long it took to get this 92 back from him? Seventeen months. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2026 16:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>James W on To restore a collectible Winchester or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Well, my post got emailed to you, I believe, Bert. But anyway I do agree with you. I do like to buy a gun that is original and I will never buy a gun just to put new wood on it and reblue it just to make it look prettier. A few dings and blemishes don't bother me that much. But, I would buy a gun that is rusted and damaged and be able to put it back in service again. Or, I have bought guns that have been changed from original and put them back original again. But you are right, there is a big difference between "repairing" and "replacing" on a gun. Thank you for your input.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2026 13:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on A Justifiable Restoration</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>He did a pretty damn nice job I think...I like the restoration choice in this instance.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2026 13:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on 1886 Winchester Sticks at chambering</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I could be off base here, as I do agree with the members suggesting on everything that you're checking on, and I would certainly be looking at the cartridges first, and the action.</p>
<p>I noticed that you said the barrel was replaced, but I hadn't noticed anything as far as the receiver.</p>
<p>As I had a friend who had a similar situation with a M-1886, and after a bargain priced restoration, from a guy that did it on the side, the Receiver wasn't blocked up properly, for the extreme heat from the new case color restoration, and had moved and tightened up a little, causing the actions smoothness to disappear.</p>
<p>The M-1886, is considered by many, to be one of the best rifle designs by J.M.B.  It's smooth cycling is second to none. IMO! </p>
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<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2026 11:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on 1886 Winchester Sticks at chambering</title>
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Just measured the bullet.  Within size.  I ran a new empty cartridge into the chamber.  It came out rolled at a 2.398 not 2.40.  This is a new barrel too.  Maybe needs cut anther 0.002?<br />
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<p>It does appear to be a slightly short chamber.  It is possible that the breech end of the barrel was trimmed a bit when it was being fitted to the receiver and bolt.  If you do ream the chamber length to fix the problem, I recommend .004 - .005" versus just .002".</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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                    <title>Buck1967 on A Justifiable Restoration</title>
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<p><strong>MidwestCrisis said </strong><br />
That appears to be a brand new 1929 92 to someone like me.  <br />
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<p>Yeah to me too! It looks amazing and would love to see the before pics if any exist. If you are feeling guilty for owning a restoration and need to get rid of it to cleanse your soul, I will be happy to give you back your original $399 😉 Kidding of course. Great job Zeb and thanks for sharing!</p>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>That appears to be a brand new 1929 92 to someone like me.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2026 02:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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