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                    <title>Chuck on To restore a collectible Winchester or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I recently bought an 1873 Ser #201866 in 22 short.  It needed the correct forend screws, an original rear sight and the inner magazine assembly repaired or replaced.</p>
<p>I fixed the forend screws with original screws.  I will buy a period correct rear sight.</p>
<p>The inner magazine will have to get a new assembly.  This is by far the most rare and hardest part to get.  Call it what you may but it will be a lot better than it was. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2026 02:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>martin rabeno on To restore a collectible Winchester or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>No. It’s not a hypothetical question but a very complex one as many of you have answered.  My feelings are, if you are upfront and have or can squire the skills needed to restore a piece of history, why not? Art restorers do it every day. But it must be done right with all respect due to the item in your care.  Not to make it look new but let it once again look like it would have been for its  its apparent age and condition. At a certain point it’s not about the money but for respect for the object. How you do it and the cost is up to the individual. Some interesting examples of frauds and restorations are pictured in Lewis’s book. Everyone can make up their own moral decisions.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2026 02:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on To restore a collectible Winchester or not?</title>
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<p><strong>martin rabeno said </strong><br />
Interesting discussions to say the least and all god points made.<br />
So, as I make it out. Repairs and restorations, not fakes, are acceptable as long as there is full disclose to prevent thievery down the road. As long as it is done skillfully and correctly. Right ? Of course a restored firearm is not everyone's cup of tea and naturally worth a fraction of an unrestored one<br />
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<p>Martin-</p>
<p>I'm not sure you're asking this question of the right people. The purist collector will not be interested in the results of even the best quality restoration, if he can detect it. Many times he considers himself the temporary custodian of the guns he loves. The folks paying the big bucks for high condition firearms don't seem to be quite as picky, as long as it looks like it should. This category of collector may very well lurk here but probably doesn't post much if at all. He makes his preference known at the auctions. In my observation there are an abundance of less discriminating collectors, knowingly or unknowingly, at all price levels of collectible Winchesters. As there are fewer unmolested examples every day the future of this hobby will have to recognize the value of the non-original specimen. The high condition, original specimen will always be ultimate prize but many disappear into private collections for decades at a time. </p>
<p>I think the answer to your question is the same as to the collector who has a nice specimen that needs a bit of oil on the stock, a few screw slots straightened up, a sight repaired or replaced with the correct model or an abused specimen needing a complete restoration with new wood, new barrel, new stampings and new finish; your gun, your money, your call. </p>
<p>Quite frankly, if this isn't a hypothetical question I'm looking forward to seeing the before and after pics. I love a good project!</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2026 01:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on Replacing Tang Screws on a 1894 SRC After Removing Sight</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Get in contact with Ben Tolson.  He's probably in route to Greeley.  PM Ben.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 23:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>In an attempt to restore a recently acquired 1894 SRC to something approximating its original condition, I've removed a tang sight that was obviously added long after the carbine's original manufacture. Which means I need a replacement tang screw and a filler screw.</p>
<p>New copies of these screws are of course readily available. But I was hoping to find some vintage screws (early 1900s manufacture, certainly before the switchover to Model 94). I've found a few offered on eBay, but they're in awful condition, with badly mangled slots.</p>
<p>Would anyone have any suggestions as to where I might find vintage screws in reasonably good condition? Or should I just remove some of the bluing on the heads of the modern screws to match the current condition of the tang?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 22:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on To restore a collectible Winchester or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Zebulon said,</strong></p>
<p>Personally, I’d rather see an abused wreck of a good Winchester restored rather than parted out and, in one small instance, have done just that.</p>
<p><strong>Anthony said,</strong></p>
<p>I really think that an abused 1 of 1000, receiver that is a rarity in itself, or an example that was worn past recognition, which in all reality is hard to imagine, should be restored properly, but not misrepresented! It can be done properly, without trying to make it into something it wasn't. Putting it back to it's originality, instead of leaving it by the wayside and not doing anything with it, would be disastrous. IMO! </p>
<p>Especially if a talented person had the means, the talent, and the upstanding, wherewithal to do so! It wouldn't have to be admonished into something more than what it could be or should have been, but what it was, originally, and documented as refurbished, with as many original and existing parts that could be acquired, to do so! </p>
<p>If I had the talent, and the means, and was able to acquire a receiver, from an original 1 of 1000 rifle, meaning that other original parts from a certain rifle weren't included with the receiver, I would absolutely try to put it back to it's originality, with as many original parts that I could acquire from the proper resources, and even if I had to talk to let's say a reputable company like Turnbull Restoration, I would do that, for the correct Deluxe, "XXX", wood! IMHO!</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 21:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on To restore a collectible Winchester or not?</title>
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<p><strong>martin rabeno said </strong><br />
Interesting discussions to say the least and all god points made.<br />
So, as I make it out. Repairs and restorations, not fakes, are acceptable as long as there is full disclose to prevent thievery down the road. As long as it is done skillfully and correctly. Right ? Of course a restored firearm is not everyone's cup of tea and naturally worth a fraction of an unrestored one<br />
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<p>As long as there is <em>provable </em>full disclosure, I see nothing ethically wrong (or, for the artisans involved, hazardous) with a restoration and the market will decide what the piece is worth. </p>
<p>Personally, I'd rather see an abused wreck of a good Winchester restored rather than parted out and, in one small instance, have done just that. </p>
<p>I suppose there could be an issue in the case of a truly unique arm - say, the pistol used by Burr to kill Alexander Hamilton in their duel. If it existed in 30% condition and had absolute provenance, anything beyond wiping it down to preserve it from further deterioration would be wrong. </p>
<p>What somebody wants to do with a rusted piece of steel that was once part of a valuable and rare, but not unique, gun does not bump my revulsion meter.</p>
<p>Building a gun around it and palming it off as real and original is a felony and should get the perp a good stretch of "porridge and mailbags", as the coppers at Scotland Yard liked to put it. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 20:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>tim tomlinson on To restore a collectible Winchester or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Just me and my opinion, but at some point the "repair and restoration" becomes a clone.  Is it when a major component is replaced??  Or when more than half its parts are replaced?  I find the discussion germane whether its autos or firearms.  Will my judgement matter?  Only if its in my price range to begin with!  Each of us has to find the answer for themselves.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 19:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>martin rabeno on To restore a collectible Winchester or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussions to say the least and all god points made.</p>
<p>So, as I make it out. Repairs and restorations, not fakes, are acceptable as long as there is full disclose to prevent thievery down the road. As long as it is done skillfully and correctly. Right ? Of course a restored firearm is not everyone's cup of tea and naturally worth a fraction of an unrestored one</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 19:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on To restore a collectible Winchester or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I think there's a speed limit in vintage racing. At least I hope so. And some minimum demonstrated skill level for the drivers.</p>
<p>Some owners don't deserve their rides. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 17:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on To restore a collectible Winchester or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>One of our WACA members restores Shelby Cobras.  -Chuck</p>
<p>Until recently (or maybe even currently?) some folks actually raced Cobras in vintage races. I suppose that would be like taking a One of One Thousand on a two-week African safari. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 17:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on To restore a collectible Winchester or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>To sum up:  </p>
<p><em><strong>Disclosure</strong></em> separates the sheep from the goats. </p>
<p><em><strong>Proof</strong></em> of his or her sincere attempt to achieve <strong><em>p</em></strong><strong><em>ermanent</em></strong>,<em><strong> irreversible disclosure </strong></em>is important to the artisan. </p>
<p>For everybody else, the woods are deep and dark and full of tigers.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 16:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on To restore a collectible Winchester or not?</title>
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<p><strong>TXGunNut said </strong><br />
 I have been made aware of a number of serialized Shelby Cobra frames awhile back that reportedly sat in a field for a few decades before someone decided to build a few of them. They were supposedly titled as a vehicle matching the serial number on the frame even though they were built decades later in a shop near here. I have seen the finished products a few times, they bring a price that boggles the mind. <br />
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<p>One of our WACA members restores Shelby Cobras.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 02:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>oldcrankyyankee on To restore a collectible Winchester or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>To add fuel on the fire here. I believe that as recently as last year that Poulin sold a 1 of 1000 73 copy. That rifle is a true phony as it has a duplicate serial number of one that actually exists. Believe that John Fox owned the real one. It was listed as a copy but still sold for some where near $40k i believe. In fact it was reportedly so well done that it passed thru many so called experts over a bunch of years before it was outed because one of the digits of the serial number was off. Guess my point is, Build it and they will come!</p>
<p>Another blurb on this. Last year I had a chance to buy an 86 SRC in 45-90. Sure everyone knows by now that 86's are my undoing. I had to pass because it was restored. It was a nicely done resto and sold for short money. I didn't chase it, not because it was a restored rifle, just that it was way to clean for what it was and when it was made. But somebody bought it and it will turn up again but I think it with have gone thru the "aging process" And at that point it will be a little harder to tell if it live or is it Memorex. And it will sell for a good deal more. I suppose I could have done the same thing but my moral compass has a little steadier arrow in it. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 00:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>We have seen Winchester restorations that use very little of the original gun and as long as that is disclosed I think there will be buyers in today's market for the finished product of this hypothetical build. I suspect a few may have even had the serial number changed to enable the builder to "restore" a product with more collector appeal. I have been made aware of a number of serialized Shelby Cobra frames awhile back that reportedly sat in a field for a few decades before someone decided to build a few of them. They were supposedly titled as a vehicle matching the serial number on the frame even though they were built decades later in a shop near here. I have seen the finished products a few times, they bring a price that boggles the mind. At my last job we fabricated drivelines for the resto-mod shop who has built at least a few. In this case the buyer knows exactly what he's getting, in some cases he can select colors or options. </p>
<p>If there's a demand (and deep pockets) someone will supply the product. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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