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                    <title>Chuck on Patches still coming out filthy….dark bore w/strong rifling.  Tips?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I have been using this product off and on for a few years.  It is no miracle worker.  Jacketed bullets leave copper and any powder leaves carbon.  You have to remove all the layers of each type of residue.  Who knows the last time the barrel was cleaned to bare metal. Copper is the easiest to remove but hard carbon is a major pain. Use a stiff nylon brush 1 caliber larger than the caliber of the barrel.  As you remove the hard carbon you probably will uncover a layer of copper. I clean after every 50 rounds and with the high pressures the modern target guns produce it is not unusual to have to clean the barrel a half dozen times just to get it almost completely bore scope clean.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2026 19:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1873man on 73 Winchester 3rd Model sporting rifle Cleaning rod</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>They sell repos here . The rifle and musket rods are shorter than the carbine rods. Also Ebay sells them and you can probably buy a single rod.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.buffaloarms.com/search/?q=cleaning+rods" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.buffaloarms.com/search/?q=cleaning+rods</a></p>
<p>Bob</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2026 16:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Darrin Smith on 73 Winchester 3rd Model sporting rifle Cleaning rod</title>
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<p>this should cover it.</p>
<p>Darrin</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2026 15:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>JSchluter on 73 Winchester 3rd Model sporting rifle Cleaning rod</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>The rifle I have has the trapdoor in the crescent buttplate. Unfortunately, only 2 pieces of the cleaning rod are inside, the jag end and the intermediate section. Does anyone have a photo of the handle section or entire length of the cleaning rod? It may be amongst all the clutter in the shop and I simply don't recognize it. Thanks, and for the info on removing the magazine from the rifle in my other post. The removal went well with no damage. And the Dremel with the wire wheel at slow speed easily removed the crusted oil/dirt with no damage to the patina on the parts-no bright metal.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2026 14:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jim F in CT on '73 Winchester disassembly, inspection and clean-up/lube</title>
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<p><strong>JSchluter said  . . . . . .</strong>The forend cap anchor appears dovetailed to the barrel as does the capped end anchor. I don't want to damage the thin rolled sheet tube by trying to tap out the dovetailed anchors. . . . . .<br />
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<p>DO NOT attempt to “tap out” the ring from the barrel!</p>
<p>Although the fastening of the mag tube to the barrel APPERS to use a dovetailed ring, it is NOT! To remove this ring, you must PIVOT the ring out from the barrel.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2026 13:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on '73 Winchester disassembly, inspection and clean-up/lube</title>
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<strong>TR said </strong><br />
  A stainless steel wheel on a dremel does not sound good. Old tooth brush, Kroil, cotton rag, and maybe 0000 steel wool with oil sounds better. Old grease and light rust will come off with soak time. T/R<br />
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<p>Agreed!</p>
<p>Soak all of the pieces &#038; parts in small tub of 100% pure acetone to remove all of the old dried grease, oil, and gun powder.  If any rust exists, a soak in Kroil and use of a copper wire brush will remove the rust scale.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2026 01:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1873man on '73 Winchester disassembly, inspection and clean-up/lube</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>0000 steel wool or brass wool and oil will take rust off without harming the finish. </p>
<p>Post pictures of the gun so we can the condition its in.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2026 01:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TR on '73 Winchester disassembly, inspection and clean-up/lube</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>  A stainless steel wheel on a dremel does not sound good. Old tooth brush, Kroil, cotton rag, and maybe 0000 steel wool with oil sounds better. Old grease and light rust will come off with soak time. T/R</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2026 01:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Patches still coming out filthy….dark bore w/strong rifling.  Tips?</title>
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<p>Jim F in CT said<br />
I had a “revelation” when cleaning my rifles after using jacketed bullets . . .<br />
What I thought was CLEAN . . . .proved wrong after trying “Thorro Clean”.<br />
Running a Teslong bore scope thru after Thorro Clean, showed a “sparkling” bore!<br />
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<p>Never heard of it - can you tell us more about it?  Others here have any experience with it?<br />
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<p>Steve,</p>
<p>I found several good You Tube videos demonstrating it - </p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nALL43ouaQE" target="_blank">Tech Central - How To Clean Your Rifle Using ThorroClean - YouTube</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=thorroclean%20bore%20cleaning%20system&amp;mid=99061E6EDBA2E8052FCD99061E6EDBA2E8052FCD&amp;ajaxhist=0" target="_blank">Bing Videos</a></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2026 23:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on Patches still coming out filthy….dark bore w/strong rifling.  Tips?</title>
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<p><strong>Jim F in CT said </strong><br />
I had a “revelation” when cleaning my rifles after using jacketed bullets . . .<br />
What I thought was CLEAN . . . .proved wrong after trying “<strong>Thorro Clean</strong>”.<br />
Running a Teslong bore scope thru after Thorro Clean, showed a “sparkling” bore!<br />
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<p>Never heard of it - can you tell us more about it?  Others here have any experience with it?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2026 22:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on '73 Winchester disassembly, inspection and clean-up/lube</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bob - </p>
<p>Great tutorial!</p>
<p><img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Cool" alt="Cool" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-cool.gif" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2026 22:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1873man on '73 Winchester disassembly, inspection and clean-up/lube</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p> There isn't much to be gained by removing the mag tube. The only moving part is the follower which can be removed out the end.  The mag ring dovetail is not a simple dovetail so trying to tap it out will damage it. its a circular dovetail. The mag tube must be removed before removing the mag ring. Depending on what era the gun is they inlet the mag tube in to the bottom of the barrel on early guns so you can't rotate the mag ring out with the tube in it. Over time they inlet it less until there was non. I would not remove the mag ring if it firmly in place since there is nothing to clean by removing it. </p>
<p>To remove the mag tube you first remove the mag tube plug and screw. Remove the spring and follower. Remove the forearm cap screws. Put some oil on the mag tube in front of the forearm cap to help from scratching the tube and slide the mag tube retainer forward so it is free of the tendon. the forearm cap sometimes can put side load on the mag tube making removal of the tube harder.  Now remove the pin through the mag tube and mag ring. I would soak the mag ring and aft of it will oil,  now the mag tube can be removed but years of oil and grime can seal it in place and this is where most people damage the tube. Trying to rotate it to break it free. If the guns been stored in wet environment the forearm wood will soak up moisture and rust the tube bonding it to the forearm just like if you used epoxy. I have used a steel or aluminum rod turned to just fit inside the mag tube and then clamp the mag tube in a padded vise and carefully work the tube loose but rotating a seized tube too much will cause the solder joint of the tube to break. </p>
<p>Bob</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2026 22:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>JSchluter on '73 Winchester disassembly, inspection and clean-up/lube</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I'm finally getting around to opening, disassembling, cleaning and lubing my 3rd model 73 sporting rifle. I've already decided that I'll completely disassemble the gun since the original lube has gone past gummy to petrified. It took 2 full days to soak the side plates loose. The minor damage to some of the screws indicate someone has been into it in the distant past. The interior parts are in great condition with smooth age patina under the petrified lube/dirt layer. All parts/screws have been cleaned carefully with a stainless wire wheel in a Dremel. My question concerns the forend and magazine tube. I haven't seen anything addressing removal of the magazine tube in order to remove the forend. The forend cap anchor appears dovetailed to the barrel as does the capped end anchor. I don't want to damage the thin rolled sheet tube by trying to tap out the dovetailed anchors. Can I safely assume that I can eventually break down the gunk under the anchors and slide out the tube? And will this free up the forend so I can inspect for active rust under it?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2026 20:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jim F in CT on Patches still coming out filthy….dark bore w/strong rifling.  Tips?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I had a “revelation” when cleaning my rifles after using jacketed bullets . . .</p>
<p>What I thought was CLEAN . . . .proved wrong after trying “Thorro Clean”.</p>
<p>Running a Teslong bore scope thru after Thorro Clean, showed a “sparkling” bore!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2026 18:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Attention:  Model 07 Gurus, Semi-Gurus, and Virtual Gurus</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Darrin,</p>
<p>Very nice <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Cool" alt="Cool" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-cool.gif" />However, I see that you are missing a Model 1911 to round out the complete T.C. Johnson S.L. collection.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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