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                    <title>kevindpm61 on Patches still coming out filthy….dark bore w/strong rifling.  Tips?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I like JB and Kroil, but be aware that patches my patches always come out black even when the bore is clean. Do you have a bore scope that you can use to assess how the cleaning process is coming along?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2026 10:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>rwsem on Patches still coming out filthy….dark bore w/strong rifling.  Tips?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>JB Bore paste alternated with Kroil is my go-to for a filthy barrel.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2026 09:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>218Bee on Patches still coming out filthy….dark bore w/strong rifling.  Tips?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bert, I have a can of Kroil and will give it a go.  Thanks.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2026 02:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Patches still coming out filthy….dark bore w/strong rifling.  Tips?</title>
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<p><strong>218Bee said </strong><br />
Have an early 1894 rifle (26”) in 30-30 that shoots well, but the bore is dark, yet rifling is very strong &#038; pronounced.  I knew it was dark when I got it.  Im no stranger to cleaning rifles, but this one has me a bit stumped.  I use older Hoppes (the good stuff) and after letting it sit a bit, I scrub it with a Dewey rod &#038; wet bronze bristle 30 cal. bore brush.  A minute or two of that and then hit it with the dry patches.  Then repeat the whole process.   I must have went through 20 patches and they still come out dirty.  Had to knock off for the night but want to try my best to brighten the bore up, as the rifle is in great shape.  No experience cleaning an old filthy bore this dirty.  Is there something I’m missing, or do I keep blowing through patches and hope for the best?  Haven’t owned the rifle long, but shot a bunch of my downloaded ammo through it (2400 powder &#038; 110 gr. M1 Carbine bullets, FMJ), and wanted to give it a good cleaning   Any help is appreciated.<br />
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Ps.  It’s a takedown, so maybe that will simplify things?<br />
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<p>Take the barrel assembly off of the receiver frame, and then soak the bore with Kroil for at least 12-hours before attacking it again with a copper wire bore brush.  </p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2026 02:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>218Bee on Patches still coming out filthy….dark bore w/strong rifling.  Tips?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Have an early 1894 rifle (26”) in 30-30 that shoots well, but the bore is dark, yet rifling is very strong &#038; pronounced.  I knew it was dark when I got it.  Im no stranger to cleaning rifles, but this one has me a bit stumped.  I use older Hoppes (the good stuff) and after letting it sit a bit, I scrub it with a Dewey rod &#038; wet bronze bristle 30 cal. bore brush.  A minute or two of that and then hit it with the dry patches.  Then repeat the whole process.   I must have went through 20 patches and they still come out dirty.  Had to knock off for the night but want to try my best to brighten the bore up, as the rifle is in great shape.  No experience cleaning an old filthy bore this dirty.  Is there something I’m missing, or do I keep blowing through patches and hope for the best?  Haven’t owned the rifle long, but shot a bunch of my downloaded ammo through it (2400 powder &#038; 110 gr. M1 Carbine bullets, FMJ), and wanted to give it a good cleaning   Any help is appreciated.</p>
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<p>Ps.  It’s a takedown, so maybe that will simplify things?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2026 01:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Attention:  Model 07 Gurus, Semi-Gurus, and Virtual Gurus</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>As a fun side note, someone online figured out that a certain Whirlpool appliance rubber foot had a perfect diameter to replace the 1911SL fibrous washers, with a little easy fitting of course. I bought quite a few to hold onto for future use...I think I have the video saved somewhere if ever needed....pretty neat and creative solution.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2026 20:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Darrin Smith on Attention:  Model 07 Gurus, Semi-Gurus, and Virtual Gurus</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Are the buffers the same in all of the models 1905, '07 &#038; '10?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2026 19:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Attention:  Model 07 Gurus, Semi-Gurus, and Virtual Gurus</title>
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<p><strong>Jeremy P said </strong><br />
Damn, I need to start selling 3D printed parts! Sounds like a similar arrangement to the 1911 SL shotgun in terms of fibrous buffers and recoil absorption.<br />
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<p>You are correct, T. C. Johnson designed the Model 1907 and 1911...started with the 1903 and the group also includes the 1905 and 1910. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2026 16:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Attention:  Model 07 Gurus, Semi-Gurus, and Virtual Gurus</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I need to start selling 3D printed parts! Sounds like a similar arrangement to the 1911 SL shotgun in terms of fibrous buffers and recoil absorption.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2026 15:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on Attention:  Model 07 Gurus, Semi-Gurus, and Virtual Gurus</title>
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<p><strong>Jeremy P said </strong><br />
Very nice! I'm supposed to have mine this Friday. Are the buffer replacements available still or did you have to sub something in? I've never disassembled one of these but I bet it will happen soon!<br />
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2026 14:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Attention:  Model 07 Gurus, Semi-Gurus, and Virtual Gurus</title>
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<p><strong>Jeremy P said </strong><br />
Very nice! I'm supposed to have mine this Friday. Are the buffer replacements available still or did you have to sub something in? I've never disassembled one of these but I bet it will happen soon!<br />
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<p>The original buffers were made of "Vulcanized" fibrous material and GPC sold out of them some time ago. However, substitutes are readily available on eBay,  made by 3-D printer from some kind of polymer. Adam can tell you where. </p>
<p>Disassembling one to replace the buffer is a project best undertaken after watching several videos on YouTube. It is not technically complex but removing and replacing the long skinny return spring requires three hands and a prehensile tail. </p>
<p>All of the action components except the trigger/safety assembly are situated in the forearm. The buffer is not located in the receiver, behind the bolt, as you would expect. The bolt is connected to a massive "extension" in the forearm that travels backward with the bolt and retards it's velocity. It is this extension that bottoms out on the buffer installed forward of the receiver. </p>
<p>I believe this arrangement of parts was designed to avoid the many interlocking Browning patents. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2026 14:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Attention:  Model 07 Gurus, Semi-Gurus, and Virtual Gurus</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Good job, Adam! Functionality restored, improper finish replaced, character retained. I think your goal was achieved. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2026 13:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on Attention:  Model 07 Gurus, Semi-Gurus, and Virtual Gurus</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Very nice! I'm supposed to have mine this Friday. Are the buffer replacements available still or did you have to sub something in? I've never disassembled one of these but I bet it will happen soon!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2026 13:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on Attention:  Model 07 Gurus, Semi-Gurus, and Virtual Gurus</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Here is my rifle after finishing the stocks together.  To recap, my rifle had no usable buffer washer left.  The fore stock was almost in 3 pieces.  Both stocks had extra varnish of some sort on them.  I repaired the fore stock and replaced the buffer, shot it to check function then refinished the stocks. I believe the fore stock is heart wood and butt stock closer to sap wood.  Zebulon’s School of Woodworking helped me through the process.  The goal was to make it look like it should.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2026 02:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>426crown on Finger Lever needed for a model 92 from 1926 chanbered in 32WCF</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Homestead firearms has one, also try Ebay, and do a save search. Bill</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2026 20:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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