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                    <title>Ben on out of bounds?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Since we're already "out of bounds"... here's some information regarding the Smith &#038; Wesson 39 "Hush Puppy"....   yes, I want one... </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2026 14:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on Is the value of 75-98% Winchesters down sine the Election of 2024…or not?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I think the rifle below serves as an example of a Model 1892 rifle that is probably all original rifle but has little appeal to most.  It doesn't have condition for collectors.  It would have appeal to shooters but I believe such individuals are on the decline.  Most shooters already own rifles to shoot.  Factory .38-40 ammo is not inexpensive either.  </p>
<p>The major failing here is what the seller thinks it's worth.  He is staggeringly far off in my opinion:</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2026 13:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on out of bounds?</title>
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<p><strong>TXGunNut said </strong><br />
Another problem with the 39 is that the barrel lugs apparently didn't engage the slide in a consistent manner and vertical fliers were common. I really liked the grip and frame shape, for an alloy frame handgun it was very pleasant to shoot. <br />
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<p>Concur. The design was really advanced for 1955 and very comfortable to shoot. I've always preferred single-stack automatics and the 39 was "right-sized."  The factory barrel could be gunsmithed by adding to the lugs and then hand-fitting or there were custom barrels. Not cheap. I never owned one of the later 4-digit models but there was one little single-stack marked "Ladysmith" that burly male investigators really liked because it was so compact and reliable. Smith finally made a version of it without the feminine  rollmark. Of course, the 10-round P365 has pretty much made all the foregoing pocket nines obsolete. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2026 12:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Rhoffmann on Mod 12 Heavy Duck #1551510</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I recently purchased the original box for Winchester model 12  serial #1551510. The box lists it as heavy duck, 12 ga, 30” full choke barrel. Probably a long shot but I’d love to find it and reunite it with its original box one way or another. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2026 02:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Anyone ever seen one of these table mats?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Steve-</p>
<p>I've never understood why I'm drawn to the neglected stepchild of the 94 family. At least I'm in good company. It's not because my dollar goes further when I "settle" for a 32WS because I was drawn to them before I noticed that. Reloaders know there is no difference performance-wise between the 30WCF and 32WS, one will do everything the other will do and vice-versa. </p>
<p>I'm thinking these may have actually been mats used to protect a glass countertop or display case, I happen to have a table that needs a mat and one like that would be nice. I'll see what the Goles have to offer when we get to Cody.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2026 23:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on Anyone ever seen one of these table mats?</title>
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<p><strong>TXGunNut said </strong></p>
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<p>steve004 said </p>
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<p>Tony Ford said<br />
32WS<br />
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<p>Yes!<br />
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<p>Steve-<br />
I'm pretty sure you can smell a 32WS just by looking at a good photograph!<br />
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Mike<br />
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<p>Mike - I'll admit I'm probably pretty transparent.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2026 19:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Anyone ever seen one of these table mats?</title>
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<p><strong>steve004 said </strong></p>
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<p>Tony Ford said<br />
32WS<br />
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<p>Yes!</p>
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<p>Steve-</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure you can smell a 32WS just by looking at a good photograph!</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on out of bounds?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Another problem with the 39 is that the barrel lugs apparently didn't engage the slide in a consistent manner and vertical fliers were common. I really liked the grip and frame shape, for an alloy frame handgun it was very pleasant to shoot. </p>
<p> </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2026 17:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on out of bounds?</title>
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<p><strong>Zebulon said </strong><br />
One last thing. The 39 was not drop safe; it had no firing pin block although it did have an inertial firing pin that did not rest on a live round. The 39A had a firing pin block. [For relevance, Colt's 1911 did not incorporate a firing pin block until Series 80 and higher. A cocked and locked Series 70 Colt dropped from 4' onto a hard floor will fire even though the sear was not forced. It wants a Titanium firing pin.]  Zebulon out.<br />
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<p>OH gosh.  The 39 can't be sent to Ca.  But if one's already here I could buy it.  The only Smiths that I have left are a 1990's 357 and a Schofield. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2026 16:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on out of bounds?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>One last thing. The 39 was not drop safe; it had no firing pin block although it did have an inertial firing pin that did not rest on a live round. The 39A had a firing pin block. [For relevance, Colt's 1911 did not incorporate a firing pin block until Series 80 and higher. A cocked and locked Series 70 Colt dropped from 4' onto a hard floor <em>will </em>fire even though the sear was not forced. It wants a Titanium firing pin.]  Zebulon out.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2026 13:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on Anyone ever seen one of these table mats?</title>
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<p><strong>Tony Ford said </strong><br />
32WS<br />
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<p>Yes!</p>
<p><img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Cool" alt="Cool" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-cool.gif" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2026 11:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Deg on out of bounds?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I can confirm that I do not own a Model 39 but I am certain I have a set of wood grips and I am fairly certain that I have 2 single stack magazines too (it would only make sense that is what those go to. They came in a package deal with something else I was wanting. One of those, you have to buy all of this if you want that deal.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2026 03:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on out of bounds?</title>
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<p><strong>Deg said </strong><br />
Sweet - thanks for all of that good information guys - glad I mustered up the courage to ask <br />
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<p>I'll neither confirm nor deny having a Model 39...PM if you need a duty holster or magazine pouch. <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Wink" alt="Wink" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif" /></p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2026 02:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Deg on out of bounds?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Sweet - thanks for all of that good information guys - glad I mustered up the courage to ask </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2026 02:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on out of bounds?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Those are indeed for a Smith 39.  The model was introduced in the mid-Fifties about the same time Colt's Commander started being chambered for the 9mm Parabellum. NATO was pushing for the nine to become the standard sidearm and subgun cartridge and Smith and Colt each fielded a proposed American officer's pistol.  The Army conducted a trial of sorts but the idea went nowhere. </p>
<p>The Model 39 and its hi-cap sibling Model 59 rocked along with modest civilian sales until Vietnam. In the late Fifties and through all of the Sixties I never saw one in a store because they were in demand by troops headed for Southeast Asia. Nine millimeter was available at American bases because other NATO allies did provide some troops. I'm told it was provided in pre-loaded Browning P-35:magazines, just as 45 ball came in preloaded 1911 magazines. A friend who served as a Junior artillery officer said the P-35:was popular with gun crews, who were very busy but feared being overrun. </p>
<p>I took a like-new and in-the-box Model 39 as a fee about 1970 and found it innovative, reliable, accurate, and well-made but hard to feed -- it liked ball and not much else. I traded it straight across for  a brand new Browning 22 automatic (the little takedown rifle) and a Hartmann-style factory hard case to go with it. That pistol was still hard to find and the dealer wanted it. </p>
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