I just did a little test using an Entech Moisture/Humidity Meter our consultants use.

: Current temp outdoors is 73.8 degrees with relative humidity at 66.9% (its raining outside).

: Current temp inside non-climate-controlled garage is 73.2 degrees with relative humidity of 60.9%.  Moisture content reading from gypsum board wall (drywall) is 7.5% used as a control baseline.  

: Current temp inside my safe is 72.7 degrees with relative humidity of 55.6%.  Moisture content in the gypsum board partition and safe door is 3.4%.  A moisture reading at 12% or less would be considered dry, lower than 6-8% would be considered "bone-dry".  

Likely, a lot depends also on the type of safe you have, simple unlined steel safe, steel safe lined with gypsum board, or vault constructed of varying construction types (steel, concrete, etc.).  The internal climate will likely vary across all of them subject to the same conditions and depending on how the safe/vault doors are sealed. 

Just my take.  

CH

  Sweating concrete and changing temperatures are the enemy so maybe using a hard wax would help. I would look at my guns monthly. Where you live makes a big difference, Wyoming good, Florida bad. T/R

Mike

I use a temp/humidity monitor from Amazon in my indoor safe, hovers between 45-55% depending on seasons (drier in winter). You'd need that condensation control for sure (like an oversized Goldenrod or similar) and a stricter regiment of wiping them down. At the least, keep your "lesser" pieces out there or start with a single one and check them often until you gain confidence. If you do it, let us know how it worked out!!!

EDIT: Forgot to add, if you're going to bolt down to bare concrete, don't forget to put down a good paint on or other type vapor barrier to stop moisture from wicking up through the floor and bolt holes and rotting the bottom (or your guns).

I can’t get a definitive answer, but as long as a warm firearm is not placed in a cold safe and condensation develops, is there still concerns?  Obviously, a closed safe is going to warm and cool at a slower rate than does the unheated garage and this also would not be as extreme as the outdoors.

Bert H. said
Pat,
50% humidity is optimum... no need for a humidifier.
Bert
  

Thanks

50% humidity is optimum... no need for a humidifier.

Bert

Also, any recommendation on cheap humidifiers. Preferably the non-electric can type.

TXGunNut said

antler1 said
How does everybody think the new political climate will affect the collectible Winchester market? I felt the recent Poulin auction seemed soft on many average grade  Winchesters.
  

Is that more so than lately, Pat? Seems that section has been soft for awhile. If it gets any softer I'll just keep the few I have for sale. No desire to work hard to give them away. The new gun market will be very strong if history is any indication. 
 
Mike
  

I re-read these posts and I missed the word “average”.

It depends what your definition of the word “average” is, but, unfortunately, since the Election of 2024, this segment has declined by a third and stayed there.  This includes “average” Winchesters as well as above average and well above average Winchester rifles.  I think the above average and well above average stuff is what most of us on this forum collect—and it’s been, unfortunately, hit the hardest.

Believe average Winchesters—never had much value to begin with, can’t be hit that hard, if at all, there’s always someone of limited means who scrapes together $500 just to have a Winchester, even if it’s heavily buffed and poorly reblued.

Average Winchester rifles, worth a bit more, if they have been flat or decreased slightly, the value is limited, and, therefore, is the hit.  These are the multitude of old Winchester rifles you see at gun shows, with “patina”—grey receivers, dull bluing on barrels, honest use.

The crème de la crème—this is the engraved, inlaid, special order high condition stuff you see at RIA.  Substantial 5 figure to 7 figure stuff.  Sets records at each and every auction, investment grade stuff, actually are investments, there is a return on investment there.

Which leaves the above average and well above average stuff, the Winchesters most of us collect on this forum, bright bluing still present, original finish throughout, a few special order features, perhaps, this segment has been hit hard.  It’s purely demographics, go to gun shows and look at all the grey hair.

The younger folks into this stuff have little money and dabble in the junk or hit it big and play the RIA game.  The folks like us who dabble in the mid range to higher end stuff are shooting black plastic at the range.

It is presently within the power of the Senate Republican caucus to do the same and there are voices urging that action, so a number of Repulican bills could be signed into law before January. Anyone who disagrees with them is called naive, an idiot or worse. 

Why has neither side done it when they could have. 

Because of what it would lead to.  There are enough responsible Senators on both sides of the chamber who understand the purpose of the Senate is to require compromise, to avoid the descent into chaos or a virtual dictatorship a unicameral legislature guarantees eventually. The direct election of Senators was a mistake that has left only the filibuster as a bulwark against the fatal consequence of attempting pure - nonrepresentative - democracy. What we are now seeing in Senatorial elections is a consequence of throwing out what the Founding Fathers believed to be critical. 

The same is just as true about packing the Supreme Court. Without the filibuster, the Democratic majority could pass legislation adding seats to the Supreme Court and then fill those seats with judges to their liking, which could be done with a Democratic president, a Democratic Congress, and no filibuster. To dilute the current 6-3 bench,  let us say they up it from nine to thirteen to secure a 7-6 majority. 

Theoretically, the Democratic party could then attempt to remain in office permanently by admitting Puerto Rico, the District of Columbia, and other entities "guaranteed" to vote Democrat, to full Statehood.  

Inevitably, corruption would set in as it as always historically done and the minority party would be elected to throw the rascals out, assuming that free and fair elections were still possible. If they weren't,  the country would devolve into revolution and chaos. 

If the minority party returned to power, the first thing to do would be to add seats to the already bloated Supreme Court, to ensure its agenda would not be constrained. 

And the United States of America would join the ranks of the other New World banana republics. 

So be careful what you clamor for because obtaining a short-sighted political advantage could destroy the country. 

antler1 said
How does everybody think the new political climate will affect the collectible Winchester market? I felt the recent Poulin auction seemed soft on many average grade  Winchesters.
  

How bad?

Examples?

antler1 said
How does everybody think the new political climate will affect the collectible Winchester market? I felt the recent Poulin auction seemed soft on many average grade  Winchesters.
  

Is that more so than lately, Pat? Seems that section has been soft for awhile. If it gets any softer I'll just keep the few I have for sale. No desire to work hard to give them away. The new gun market will be very strong if history is any indication. 

Mike

One can't help but get political when talking about this very important issue. Too many times over the years, the non firearms groups of people argue about the twisted facts and turn things around just to go against the ones who enjoy the several different aspects of the hobbies whether it's, Collecting, Hunting, or shooting, amongst the few that come to mind.

I'd rather have it and not need it, than the other way! As were all familiar with it. There's a reason that I don't mingle with a lot of non firearm people! Something about being like minded or not. IMO!

Tony