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                    <title>antler1 on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>What years were Browning brothers stamping any model of Winchester that were sold thru their shop?</p>
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                    <title>Anthony on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Kirk,</p>
<p>That's a very nice find. Not all of the Single Shots had the Browning Brothers identification on them, even though they made and used more than one stamp, with different variations on them. These rifles we're made by hand as was the tooling to do so. </p>
<p>The, what looks like an,"O", stamp on the left sided flat, under the patent date, is interesting to me. As is also, what looks like, "530",(serial #530) on the top flat in front of the receiver. We aren't accustomed to seeing the serial number here! The amount of bluing on the barrel, is also pretty amazing to see. </p>
<p>As we know there's not a lot of information out there on these, as one of the only 600 manufactured original S. S. rifles. The Borchardt style lever, and as you mentioned, the "double set", triggers, and the cleaning rod underneath, are sure scarce.</p>
<p>This example has a larger metal style crescent butt, for the times when shooters we're smaller in stature.</p>
<p>The "Thick Side " round top receiver, is always a very attractive looking feature to me on these. </p>
<p>It was a very well known fact back in the day, that a heavy barrel rifle shot better! Hence the heavy barrel. It was not uncommon for these to weigh 16 pounds or more.</p>
<p>It's well known and documented in Campbell's books that the wrist area was changed by Winchester with the degree of the wood to metal fit, bu changing the angle on the metal receiver, and also strengthening the, "S", shaped style point of contact. Amongst other changes that Winchester made to the M-1885 S.S.</p>
<p>It's not well known what rear sights we're used on these, as the "Fruend", sight was also used on some of these and are characteristically longer than what most of us are accustomed to, as far as the Winchester rear rifle sights the we see. </p>
<p>With less than 100 known to exist, approximately 60 are documented today to be in existence, or at least found.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing,</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2026 21:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Gopher quality group <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Cool" alt="Cool" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-cool.gif" /> </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2026 19:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Shrapnel on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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<p><strong>Bert H. said </strong><br />
What group ??<br />
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2026 19:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>What group ??</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2026 19:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Shrapnel on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Few people have ever seen a Browning model 1878 and fewer people own one.</p>
<p>While I was in Cody last July, I found this remarkable Model 1878 and bought it! It is what brought Thomas Bennet out to Ogden, Utah to the Browning Brothers shop to secure the rights to produce the rifle, which would become the Winchester Model 1885.</p>
<p>It is rare enough to find a real Browning Brothers gun, but to also have a heavy barrel, cleaning rod and double set triggers, this one really stands alone!</p>
<p>It is marked 40-70 which shoulf probably be 40-70 Sharps Staight, but through trial and error, I found that it is chambered 40-90 Sharps Bottleneck.</p>
<p>I took it to the range and with some .408 265 grain greese grooved gas checked bullets, I was able to get this group with open sights at 50 yards.</p>
<p>It will be killing something thiss fall...</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2026 18:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1873man on GUNBROKER</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Some web sites wouldn't let you on if your running an AD blocker program. </p>
<p>Bob</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2026 13:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>James W on GUNBROKER</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I have four ways to get on the internet with different computers, phone and tablet. I think just on my tablet- sometimes Gunbroker bans me for some reason. I think Gunbroker senses some computer addresses and just bans them for the heck of it. Sometimes I delete all of my search data to clean up my space and they let me back on again.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2026 13:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on Distorted M-1873</title>
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<p><strong>1873man said </strong><br />
I paid for the rush delivery to Gun List and it was published in Wisconsin so I figure I would get it first but I would call on a gun the day I got it, the seller said "I sold it yesterday"<br />
Bob<br />
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<p>HAHAHA!</p>
<p>Bob,</p>
<p>I'm not laughing at you, but at myself, because years ago,  I thought, "If I would pay the extra for it, maybe I could get a shot at some of these I kept missing on"! LOL! You weren't alone in you're thinking, and I am a couple states south of you.<img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /><img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /><img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /></p>
<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2026 12:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>James W on Post Cody Observation....</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I was at that show in Wilmington where they had that discharge. According to the time they said it happened, I had just left to go home about 10 minutes before it happened. About 35 years ago I was at a Bill Goodman's show in Dayton, Ohio and a woman put a .25 caliber round in a little automatic and fired it off. She told the police afterward,  she was trying to figure out how the gun worked. There was a guy sitting across the room at a table with his chair tilted back against the wall and the bullet went into the wall about 2 feet over his head. He told me that was the second gun show he had been to where someone discharged a gun and a bullet went into the wall close to where he was sitting.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2026 05:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1873man on Distorted M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I paid for the rush delivery to Gun List and it was published in Wisconsin so I figure I would get it first but I would call on a gun the day I got it, the seller said "I sold it yesterday"</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2026 00:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on Distorted M-1873</title>
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<strong>TR said </strong><br />
   Go back 30 plus years, before the internet when you bought a gun sight unseen from just a description in <strong>Gun List or Shotgun News.</strong> That description would have lead to a huge disappointment when you opened the box. The pictures in this case show the buyer what the description does not.<br />
  Every gun has value and in this case not much. T/R <br />
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<p>And the descriptions were often not much given you paid per word.</p>
<p>And remember when the shotgun news was around $20 or $25 per year but you could pay a couple hundred extra per year and they sent it out a few days earlier?</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2026 23:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TR on Distorted M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>   Go back 30 plus years, before the internet when you bought a gun sight unseen from just a description in Gun List or Shotgun News. That description would have lead to a huge disappointment when you opened the box. The pictures in this case show the buyer what the description does not.</p>
<p>  Every gun has value and in this case not much. T/R </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2026 23:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Distorted M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Appears to be another case of taking a Winchester with character but very little condition and after no small amount of effort with a buffing wheel and sandpaper transforming it into something no serious collector will be interested in. Might work as a wall hanger as long as the lighting isn't so good. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2026 22:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on Distorted M-1873</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>From a distance, it really doesn't look too bad.  Quite a distance.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2026 21:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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