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                    <title>Chuck on Somthing not often talked about here</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>If you study the history of military firearms you will find that every change caused a lot of haters.  But in most cases the new firearm won out.  I'm not saying that there weren't bugs to be worked out.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2026 21:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on Model 1873 question</title>
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<p><strong>TXGunNut said </strong><br />
Interesting note in Cartridges of the World; Barnes apparently noticed the 1873 listing in the catalog as well, I was thinking it would be too long for the 1873 action and Barnes thought so, too. Haven't found the OAL of the 22 WCF in any of my loading manuals yet to confirm. <br />
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<p>Loaded length is 1.61".  Case dimentions are very close to the Hornet.  Hornet OAL is 1.80".</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2026 21:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Tim Tomlinson</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I left a voicemail on his phone a few days ago, haven't heard back but I don't know if he pays attention to VM's.</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2026 20:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Model 1873 question</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Interesting note in <em>Cartridges of the World; </em>Barnes apparently noticed the 1873 listing in the catalog as well, I was thinking it would be too long for the 1873 action and Barnes thought so, too. Haven't found the OAL of the 22 WCF in any of my loading manuals yet to confirm. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2026 20:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Somthing not often talked about here</title>
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<p><strong>James W said </strong><br />
I was on the drill team in boot camp and we had M-14s. The barrels and receivers were chrome. Really nice looking. That was the last I saw of the M-14s. If I remember correctly, Lt. Col. Anthony Herbert, author of SOLDIER hated the AR16s. The were constantly jamming and causing so many problems in Viet Nam. He wanted to stick with the M-14s. He was on TV back in the 1970s constantly telling about how the Viet Nam war was just something to make money for the politicians. I remember reading he was so upset with the way his men were being butchered and dieing. I had a buddy in the Army a few years ago telling me the 92FS was a piece of junk also. He said the first thing you had to do with on was take sandpaper and sand down and file the clip. He couldn't get them in and out of the guns. Plus, they were constantly jamming and terrible to use.<br />
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<p>We carried and used the Beretta M9 pistols with no issues (the 92FS is a commercial pistol).  The M9's definitely are not "pieces of junk" if properly cared for.  That stated, they most certainly are not a M1911A1 (my favorite).</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2026 20:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Zebulon on Tim Tomlinson</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Has anybody got an update on how Tim is getting on?  I haven't tried to call him because he has many friends and I don't want to bother him unduly. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2026 20:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>steve004 on Model 1873 question</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Surely they made one or more prototypes.  However, a lot of items haven't survived.  One can imagine any prototypes might have been discarded.  In addition, one would think there would be some notes somewhere.  Of course not all the notes survive either.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2026 19:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>James W on Somthing not often talked about here</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I was on the drill team in boot camp and we had M-14s. The barrels and receivers were chrome. Really nice looking. That was the last I saw of the M-14s. If I remember correctly, Lt. Col. Anthony Herbert, author of SOLDIER hated the AR16s. The were constantly jamming and causing so many problems in Viet Nam. He wanted to stick with the M-14s. He was on TV back in the 1970s constantly telling about how the Viet Nam war was just something to make money for the politicians. I remember reading he was so upset with the way his men were being butchered and dieing. I had a buddy in the Army a few years ago telling me the 92FS was a piece of junk also. He said the first thing you had to do with on was take sandpaper and sand down and file the clip. He couldn't get them in and out of the guns. Plus, they were constantly jamming and terrible to use.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2026 18:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Somthing not often talked about here</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the armorers figured out a way to improve on the M14's supposed shortcomings. Many of the lessons learned by the rifle teams competing with the Garand surely filtered down to the armorers in the field. I've heard only good reports about the M14.</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2026 17:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on Somthing not often talked about here</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>All my older ex military friends loved the M 14. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2026 16:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Chuck on Model 1873 question</title>
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<p><strong>Bert H. said </strong></p>
<p>I discovered something very odd while looking at my November 1885 Winchester catalog (No. 39) to answer a question that Chuck posed... and the answer is, No, it is not marked "No. 39" anywhere on or in the catalog.</p>
<p>Bert<br />
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<p>Thanks Bert.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2026 16:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Model 1873 question</title>
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<p><strong>1873man said </strong><br />
Bert,<br />
I can say I have never seen 22 WCF or 22 CF in the ledgers. In the 73's they did list some just "22" for caliber with no differentiating for long or short. When I saw a gun that letter just 22 they were either long or short.<br />
Bob<br />
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<p>I am of the belief (opinion) that Winchester did not ever actually manufacture any Model 1873 rifles in 22 WCF simply because none have ever surfaced in the flesh, or in the ledger records.</p>
<p>The early entries in the Single Shot ledgers for the 22 Short were usually "22 R", "22 RF", or sometimes just "22".  For the 22 Long, the entries were nearly always "22 L", but rarely "22 Long".</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2026 15:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on Model 1873 question</title>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2026 15:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1873man on Model 1873 question</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bert,</p>
<p>I can say I have never seen 22 WCF or 22 CF in the ledgers. In the 73's they did list some just "22" for caliber with no differentiating for long or short. When I saw a gun that letter just 22 they were either long or short.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2026 15:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Model 1873 question</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Anthony,</p>
<p>I would have bought that rifle for $3,000.  If you find it again, try to make a deal for it.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2026 15:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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