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                    <title>Anthony on Winchester M-1866 with unusual rear sight attachtment </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Here's a nice Winchester model 1866 from member Martin Rabeno, with an unusual rear sight, spring steel attachment. #20312, MFG. in 1869.<img data-upload="1" data-width="480" data-height="360" title="IMG_4520.jpeg" alt="IMG_4520.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_4520.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="480" data-height="360" title="IMG_4521.jpeg" alt="IMG_4521.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_4521.jpeg" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2026 13:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Henry Mero on WACA at OGCA September 26&#038;27</title>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2026 13:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on WACA at OGCA September 26&#038;27</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>Thanks for posting this.</p>
<p>I also am looking forward to the show in September. Hopefully no schedule changes will occur. A few other WACA members, that have contacted me, are also planning on attending. </p>
<p>It will be good to see many of the members and some others who are regulars at the show.</p>
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<p>Tony </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2026 12:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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<strong>Shrapnel said </strong><br />
As far as Browning Brothers stamps, here is one from 1887. It is on a model 1886 I have that was made in 1887…<br />
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<p>Kirk,</p>
<p>I was hoping that you we're going to add the picture of you're 1886, and mfg. in 1887.</p>
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<p>Thanks, those are better.  Are there any pictures of the top flat of the barrel forward of the rear sight?<br />
I have to wonder what the rectangular silver colored piece was for?<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>Bert,</p>
<p>Sometimes the pics don't seem to cooperate with how I send them as far as size and such. I know we spoke of it in the past, as I'm a work in progress. I looked in the archives, and I don't see, any pics of what might be available to you're asking, of the top of the barrel flat in front of the rear sight. I do know that it was plain with no markings of any kind, as it's in my notes also. This rifle that I traded for 15 years ago from LeRoy Merz, and traded back to him, 2 years ago, both agree we aren't sure what the silver piece of a small rectangular shape, inlaid in the barrel might be for. He suggested maybe someone's initials, which made sense to me at the time, and still does.</p>
<p>Several pictures are shown of the long 4 5/8 ths. rear sight that LeRoy thought it might be "Fruend", made sight.It doesn't look like the "Fruend More Light sight" that was well published, but it's different that what we're normally accustomed to. The elevator was missing and a piece of wood was made and installed a long time before I received it. </p>
<p>There is no stamp anywhere on this rifle with the Browning Brothers of any kind on it. Which surprised me, as it did Merz, at the time when I got it from him. Had to be mfg around 1883, when the Brothers we're swamped with orders, besides the business of T. G. Bennett, showing up at their shop in Ogden, Utah.  I'm guessing they we're possibly to busy, and forgot to stamp a "Browning Brother's" logo on it. Who knows maybe JMB, and his brother Mathew weren't in the shop at the time, and they were short handed. Gotta do a little imagining. That's part of the fun of collecting! <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2026 11:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Shrapnel on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>As far as Browning Brothers stamps, here is one from 1887. It is on a model 1886 I have that was made in 1887…</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2026 02:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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<p>Thanks, those are better.  Are there any pictures of the top flat of the barrel forward of the rear sight?</p>
<p>I have to wonder what the rectangular silver colored piece was for?</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2026 01:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>James W on WACA at OGCA September 26&#038;27</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I think JWA and tionesta1 said they were going to go, also in the other thread.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2026 01:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2026 23:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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<p>Anthony said<br />
BERT SAID,<br />
Are there any additional pictures of #196? The link you provided has just the single picture.<br />
Bert,<br />
Here are more pics of #196.<br />
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<p>Please send me the full size pictures.<br />
I question the serial number placement, but anything could have happened back in those days.<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>Bert,</p>
<p>The serial number is on the top flat in front of the small rectangular piece of Silver inlay, and on the right side flat on the side of the barrel.</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2026 23:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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<p><strong>Anthony said </strong><br />
BERT SAID,<br />
Are there any additional pictures of #196? The link you provided has just the single picture.<br />
Bert,<br />
Here are more pics of #196.<br />
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<p>Please send me the full size pictures.</p>
<p>I question the serial number placement, but anything could have happened back in those days.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2026 23:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="1446" data-height="1928" title="IMG_7926.jpeg" alt="IMG_7926.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_7926.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="240" data-height="180" title="IMG_7927.jpeg" alt="IMG_7927.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_7927.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="240" data-height="320" title="IMG_7936.jpeg" alt="IMG_7936.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_7936.jpeg" />#196</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="320" data-height="240" title="IMG_8029.jpeg" alt="IMG_8029.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_8029.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="320" data-height="240" title="IMG_79311.jpeg" alt="IMG_79311.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_79311.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="320" data-height="240" title="IMG_79111.jpeg" alt="IMG_79111.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_79111.jpeg" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2026 23:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><strong>BERT SAID,</strong></p>
<p>Are there any additional pictures of #196? The link you provided has just the single picture.</p>
<p>Bert,</p>
<p>Here are more pics of #196.</p>
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<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="240" data-height="180" title="IMG_8035.jpeg" alt="IMG_8035.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_8035.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="320" data-height="240" title="IMG_7930.jpeg" alt="IMG_7930.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_7930.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="240" data-height="180" title="IMG_8034.jpeg" alt="IMG_8034.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_8034.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="320" data-height="240" title="IMG_7931.jpeg" alt="IMG_7931.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_7931.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="320" data-height="240" title="IMG_8026.jpeg" alt="IMG_8026.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_8026.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="320" data-height="240" title="IMG_8027.jpeg" alt="IMG_8027.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_8027.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="320" data-height="240" title="IMG_8028.jpeg" alt="IMG_8028.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_8028.jpeg" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2026 23:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bill Hanzel on WACA at OGCA September 26&#038;27</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Great on all the above!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2026 21:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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<p>Bert H. said </p>
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<p>TXGunNut said<br />
Looking at that stamp I wonder if it passed through the Browning Brothers' shop more than once. <br />
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Mike<br />
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<p>Doubtful.  The stamped markings on it are correct for a late 1882 or early 1883 Browning Single Shot rifle.  The markings on it are identical to those on serial number 536.<br />
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<p>Thanks, I was thinking they might have used "U.T." for Utah Territory instead of "Utah" for the early guns. Haven't been able to discover when they used the stamps we see. I was thinking a resale of the gun as a trade-in might explain what I thought was a later stamp. <br />
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<p>There are at least four different Browning markings that I have verified on Browning Single Shot and Winchester Single Shot rifles.</p>
<p>This is Browning Single Shot #536.  As you can see, it is nearly identical to the rifle Kirk acquired at Cody last month.</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="1353" data-height="323" title="536-1.jpg" alt="536-1.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/08/536-1.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="1302" data-height="327" title="536-2.jpg" alt="536-2.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/08/536-2.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="1294" data-height="559" title="536-3.jpg" alt="536-3.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/08/536-3.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="1290" data-height="587" title="536-4.jpg" alt="536-4.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/08/536-4.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="1296" data-height="291" title="536-5.jpg" alt="536-5.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/08/536-5.jpg" /></p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2026 21:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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<p><strong>Bert H. said </strong></p>
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<p>TXGunNut said<br />
Looking at that stamp I wonder if it passed through the Browning Brothers' shop more than once. <br />
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Mike<br />
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<p>Doubtful.  The stamped markings on it are correct for a late 1882 or early 1883 Browning Single Shot rifle.  The markings on it are identical to those on serial number 536.<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>Thanks, I was thinking they might have used "U.T." for Utah Territory instead of "Utah" for the early guns. Haven't been able to discover when they used the stamps we see. I was thinking a resale of the gun as a trade-in might explain what I thought was a later stamp. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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