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                    <title>TXGunNut on TGCA Show in Denton, Texas Oct. 16-18</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Not wanting to let the cat out of the bag or steal anyone's thunder but I'm somewhat concerned about whether a certain WACA board member had enough cargo capacity to haul his awesome and extensive display AND a pile of TGCA trophies home to Arkansas. I understand he and another WACA member are cooking up a special display for the NRA show. I hope they bring it to Cody!</p>
<p>Displays are what set the TGCA and WACA shows head and shoulders above most gun shows.</p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 22:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on A free tip that is being withheld from you by Bert.</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Lin Speed has been around quite a while, seems to be linseed oil with very efficient dryers. I'd like to see the pics too but I only do oil finish repairs on rare occasion and haven't tried this product yet. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 22:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on A free tip that is being withheld from you by Bert.</title>
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<p><strong>Commissioner said </strong><br />
Fellows. I posted a tip that was expensive for me to learn. I own no stock in the product I recommend. I have no financial interest in the product. I figured I was doing this group a favor?  Then Bert sends me a massage that he wants me to post before and after photo’s of the results. Like I am selling something or lying. I don’t care if you try it or not, but it should be you that make that decision.. He probably won’t post this message either? He is impugning my integrity. I fought for this country. I am not a liar. It cost me to belong to this forum. It was not free. You members never have to worry about me telling you anything positive or anything at all, I really question belonging to an organization that is afraid their members will be swindled by a jar of stock restore.<br />
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<p>Sorry, but you have <em><strong>grossly</strong></em> misinterpreted the intent of my reply to your posted message, and you have apparently taken unnecessary umbrage.  My suggestion for you is to not take everything so serious.</p>
<p>Bert - USN Retired</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 20:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>milboltnut@gmail.com on Model 70 serial number list ?</title>
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<p><strong>Louis Luttrell said </strong><br />
See what I wrote above...<br />
Stock checkering was changed to what you pictured in 1966 and changed again in 1972.  So the checkering dates to 1966-1972.<br />
Bolt knobs were knurled beginning in 1972, except for the Deluxe which was knurled earlier. Yours is not a Deluxe stock. So the combination of that checkering pattern and plain bolt knob would be correct for 1966-1971.<br />
Hope this helps,<br />
Lou<br />
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<p>sorry Lou, missed the checkering deal, thanks. Ok, I said I have a second m70 that's a deluxe 73'. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 20:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on Winchester model 12-28 ga question</title>
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<p>Scott Wagner said<br />
Hi Beth, That is an interesting and likely original prewar 28 gauge.  The 800,xxx serial number falls within a confident serial number block range.  I'm interested!   Scott <br />
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<p>I believe Scott must be very interested.  This is his first and only post in 22 years! <br />
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<p>You may recall seeing Scott's ads in the <em>Winchester Collector. </em></p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 19:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Commissioner on A free tip that is being withheld from you by Bert.</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Fellows. I posted a tip that was expensive for me to learn. I own no stock in the product I recommend. I have no financial interest in the product. I figured I was doing this group a favor?  Then Bert sends me a massage that he wants me to post before and after photo’s of the results. Like I am selling something or lying. I don’t care if you try it or not, but it should be you that make that decision.. He probably won’t post this message either? He is impugning my integrity. I fought for this country. I am not a liar. It cost me to belong to this forum. It was not free. You members never have to worry about me telling you anything positive or anything at all, I really question belonging to an organization that is afraid their members will be swindled by a jar of stock restore.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 19:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on Model 70 serial number list ?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>See what I wrote above...</p>
<p>Stock checkering was changed to what you pictured in 1966 and changed again in 1972.  So the checkering dates to 1966-1972.</p>
<p>Bolt knobs were knurled beginning in 1972, except for the Deluxe which was knurled earlier. Yours is not a Deluxe stock. So the combination of that checkering pattern and plain bolt knob would be correct for 1966-1971.</p>
<p>Hope this helps,</p>
<p>Lou</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 19:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Make your stock look new.</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Where are the pictures (proof) ??  We want to see examples, preferably "before" and "after".</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 19:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>milboltnut@gmail.com on Model 70 serial number list ?</title>
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<a href="mailto:milboltnut@gmail.com" target="_blank">milboltnut@gmail.com</a> said<br />
978<br />
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<p>That implies 1970 as the year of manufacture.<br />
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<p>yes I just went to the resource tab and looked it up. I also have a deluxe 70 that's a 73'. Thanks Bert. But what about the smooth bolt knob and not knurled ? Also the stock checkering changed to a two part shown in the pic I attached. Years ago I bought a stock I pictured and it wouldn't work on the deluxe model. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 18:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Model 70 serial number list ?</title>
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<p><strong><a href="mailto:milboltnut@gmail.com" target="_blank">milboltnut@gmail.com</a> said </strong><br />
978<br />
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<p>That implies 1970 as the year of manufacture.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 17:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>milboltnut@gmail.com on Model 70 serial number list ?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>978</p>
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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on Model 70 serial number list ?</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi-</p>
<p>What I need to determine year of manufacture is the first three digits (after the G) and total number of digits in the serial number (six or seven - should be seven).  Since Winchester made more than 789 M70s in each year, the last three digits tell us nothing.</p>
<p>Did you try the serial number lookup function on this website?  It goes through 1982.  You do not need to enter the "G" (you can put it in or not) because the software doesn't see letters, just numerals.  Pre-64 M70s were numbered 1 thru 581,471 and post-63 rifles started at 700,000, so there's no overlap (until you get to the CRF "Classics" in 1996).  By the time they added the "G" the serial numbers were over 1 million...</p>
<p>According to what is published in Roger Rule's M70 book, the "positive" impressed checkering like your rifle was adopted during 1966. The "G" prefix to comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968 was added in 1969. The stock/checkering style was changed again (from impressed to cut) in 1972.  Knurled bolt knobs were added across the product line in 1972.  The "Deluxe" Model 70 had a knurled knob since it was introduced in 1965, but it also had an ebony grip cap with white line spacer and your rifle lacks the spacer, so I'm assuming from the one pic of the butt stock that it is a Standard grade rifle.  If so, it was made between 1969 and 1972, and there is no "controversy".</p>
<p>Maybe this answers your question.  If not, please provide a G123XXX(X) serial number and a clear photo of the whole stock.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Lou</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 17:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Commissioner on Make your stock look new.</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Fellows: I have been fooling around with Winchesters for over half a Century. I have just about everykind of stock conditioner, even some good ones I made myself. Here is one I found on the market that will make your wood stock look like it was varnished. It will restore old wood and penetrates most wood, except of courses stocks that have been heavily varnished. It will however make them shine like new. It is called Lin Speed gunstock oil. It really works. Try it, you will be glad you did. Let me know how you like it after you’ve applied. A couple of finger dips will do your whole stock. It dries in about six hours, but longer is better If your stock is rough, use two or three coats. You will thank me. Guaranteed!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 17:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on Model 70 serial number list ?</title>
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<p><strong><a href="mailto:milboltnut@gmail.com" target="_blank">milboltnut@gmail.com</a> said </strong></p>
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<p>Louis Luttrell said<br />
Hi milboltnut-<br />
The serial number (or at least enough of the serial number to establish year of manufacture) might help answer your question.  They made push feed M70s with the "G" prefix in New Haven from 1969 until about 1996.  Changes in checkering and bolt knob didn't necessarily happen simultaneously.<br />
Does the bolt have a serial number that matches the receiver?<br />
Best,<br />
Lou<br />
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<p>No the bolt does not have a matching serial number. Receiver serial G, last four.. 789<br />
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<p>The last four are useless... it is the first four digits that will help narrow down the year of manufacture.  Having stated that, there is absolutely no reason not to post the entire serial number.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 17:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Scott Wagner on Winchester model 12-28 ga question</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, pictures, barrel length, choke, wood plain or checkered, and please give a closer serial number using 1st 3 digits before the XXX numbers.  Like 807,xxx or 851,xxx.  Thanks!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2026 17:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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