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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on WACA at OGCA September 26&#038;27</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bert-</p>
<p>I tend to agree...  Chandler's list is the only thing we have to go on insofar as "verifying" a M70 30-06 Target rifle as a VO Sniper/Special Target.  The information there reportedly came from shop records, since there's nothing at Winchester.  There's no way of being sure that the list is 100% complete (or even 100% accurate).</p>
<p>But I'm inclined to think this is a VO Sniper crate.  Too bad it isn't "my" VO Sniper's crate (mine is s/n 351439 sold the Victor Dawson of Silver Spring MD).  That would have REALLY been a coincidence!!!  The other rifles consecutive to 336250 went to the US Army Philadelphia PA for Marksmanship Team use.</p>
<p>Lou</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2026 16:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on WACA at OGCA September 26&#038;27</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Lou,</p>
<p>I would say that you are understating the "kind of cool" factor.  In my not so humble opinion, the odds are <em><strong>extremely</strong></em> high that s/n 336250 was indeed a Van Orden Sniper rifle, and it was simply missed being entered on Chandler's list.</p>
<p>Good to hear you had a good time at the show, and did not leave "empty handed".</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2026 15:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Michael Elli on W.T.B. LYMAN #38 D.A.</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Saw that one on Ebay, I'll be patience and see where it goes. Yes, in my opinion overpriced.  I was waiting to see if any member here happens to have one for sale. I.E. Ben Tolson? </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2026 15:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Louis Luttrell on WACA at OGCA September 26&#038;27</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>OK Tony...  This was a weird story...</p>
<p>I had another great time at the OGCA/WACA show.  Spent a couple days at RatRodMac's house and bummed a ride with him to/from the show.  Got to meet up with many of the WACA members I'd come to talk to.  Didn't intend to buy anything.  I'm just not looking for much these days, in fact I've only added one gun to the collection in the past year...</p>
<p>But after spending the first couple hours of the show in the WACA section talking to people, I did walk around.  One table on the far side of the room had a pre-64 Model 70 Target Rifle shipping crate.  Because of their weight, Model 70 Target rifles and Bull Guns were shipped individually in wood crates, not boxes.  I have two of these crates...  The end label on the one at the show is a little rough, but you could clearly see that it was a Model 70 30-06 Target rifle (G7044C) and the partial serial number was "x3625x".  It had penciled on To/From addresses written on the box and an (undated) Railway Express Agency label for COD shipping.</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="1280" data-height="960" title="Outside-1.jpeg" alt="Outside-1.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/luttrellmusc-edu/2026/09/Outside-1.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="1280" data-height="960" title="Outside-2.jpeg" alt="Outside-2.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/luttrellmusc-edu/2026/09/Outside-2.jpeg" /></p>
<p>At Tony's urging we went back and I bought the crate...  It wasn't until we got back to RatRodMac's house that I even thought to turn the lid over.  Well it turned out that someone at some point had reused the crate and that the original addressee was stenciled on the other side of the lid:</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="1280" data-height="960" title="Inside-1.jpeg" alt="Inside-1.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/luttrellmusc-edu/2026/09/Inside-1.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="1280" data-height="960" title="Inside-2.jpeg" alt="Inside-2.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/luttrellmusc-edu/2026/09/Inside-2.jpeg" /></p>
<p>For those who don't know, Evaluators Ltd. was the name of the business George Van Orden USMC Brig Gen (ret) started in Triangle VA (just outside the gate to Quantico USMC base) when he retired after Korea. Evaluators Ltd as the source of Van Orden Sniper and Special Target rifles. The serial number of the gun inside was 336250.</p>
<p>So this crate originally contained a 30-06 Target Rifle sent to Evaluators Ltd.  Ironically, s/ns 336245, 246, 248 and 249 are on the list of Van Orden serial numbers published in Chandler's "Death from Afar Vol 1".  FWIW 336250 (while consecutive with known VO Snipers and shipped to Evaluators Ltd.) is not on Chandler's list.  So is this a genuine Van Orden Sniper crate or by coincidence did Winchester happen to ship a regular G7044C to Evaluators Ltd. at the same time they were shipping a bunch of VO Snipers.  I don't know...</p>
<p>But it's kind of cool...</p>
<p>Lou</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2026 15:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony #5411 on WACA at OGCA September 26&#038;27</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>James Sorry we missed each other as there was no shortage of running into people and swapping stories and even completing a few deals that I had in the works. Sols some and traded for some and even picked up a few more that I didn't need! LOL! Gotta keep the wheels turning and keep from the rust slowing us down!</p>
<p>It was a pleasure to talk to so many collectors and meet all the collectors that I haven't in the past!</p>
<p>I'm hoping that Lou will share a great story and find here, as this is the second year in a row that I saw him find something interesting! IMHO!</p>
<p>Bill and the OGCA gang, along with Vinny and the WACA Forces, did a great job once again. </p>
<p>Thanks to all who had a hand in it! <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" /></p>
<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2026 15:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>James W on WACA at OGCA September 26&#038;27</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Well, I went to the Wellington show Saturday (only). I ran into Bo Rich. Wonderful gentleman. I looked for the rest of you. Sorry I didn't run into you. I met the president, Vinny. and Jesi at the Cody table. A lot of Winchester rifles. I only saw two Model 21s. <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Cry" alt="Cry" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-cry.gif" /> But overall it was a great show. I came home Saturday afternoon. Sorry I missed the rest of you who went. I hope to hear from the rest of you on your experiences. Take care.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2026 14:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bo Rich on OGCA/WACA September 26-27</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Had a very nice show with Leonard!  Thanks to everyone who stopped by to say hello.  Tony, Thanks again for giving my Son the Model 21 book.  That was very kind of you!   Saw,  some nice Winchesters, and did find what I was looking for.  Some 9 M/M rim fire ammo for my Model 36 garden gun.  My Son, and I stayed for the WACA get together after the show, and had a wonderful time relaxing, and visiting.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2026 14:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>cj57 on W.T.B. LYMAN #38 D.A.</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>There's one on Ebay for $649</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2026 02:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Michael Elli on W.T.B. LYMAN #38 D.A.</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Looking for a Lyman #38 D.A. Prefer one that is complete and functional. Pictures with price and any information would be appreciated. </p>
<p>I don't know if this is in the right category, please change if needed. </p>
<p>Thanks, Mike.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2026 00:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on TGCA Show in Denton, Texas Oct. 16-18</title>
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<p><strong>Ben said </strong><br />
Jeremy.... need me to bring any sights, parts or pieces? 🙂<br />
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<p>Not that I can think of! I know, what's wrong with me?</p>
<p>I'm sure I'll think of something the week after...<img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /></p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2026 13:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Ben on TGCA Show in Denton, Texas Oct. 16-18</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy.... need me to bring any sights, parts or pieces? 🙂</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2026 00:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Jeremy P on TGCA Show in Denton, Texas Oct. 16-18</title>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2026 18:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Ben on TGCA Show in Denton, Texas Oct. 16-18</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>He is a retired orthodontist.  He will be driving down with his wife. you will recognize him from Cody.  Wonderful people and he’s very knowledgable.  Sue did put my table next to his.  Honestly, his stuff makes my stuff look like last weeks leftovers. 😂</p>
<p>btw… he’s a Texan… 😖</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2026 17:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on TGCA Show in Denton, Texas Oct. 16-18</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>ummmm....WOW! I don't think that's going to fit in your carry-on bag Ben. That's pretty awesome, is he a pilot or does he just like old planes? I went to an antique aircraft fly-in last weekend and those owners are a lot like Winchester collectors. I now know a lot more about Jacobs radial engines than I did before! Also learned a little about how to start a Piper Cub. </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2026 17:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Ben on TGCA Show in Denton, Texas Oct. 16-18</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>A friend from Oregon is attending…. He has some amazing Colts, Remingtons, Smith &#038; Wessons and of course, Winchesters.   Here’s a couple pics of his gun room…honestly, it’s even more impressive in person.  <br />
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					                    <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2026 16:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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