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                    <title>BigIron on 14” Trapper Carbine 1873 Winchester </title>
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<p><strong>Anthony said </strong></p>
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<p>BigIron said<br />
This morning the Cody letter was found along with ATF form 4467 dated December 11, 1968 with info matching.   Cody letter confirms details.  Carbine, caliber 44, barrel length 14 inches, received in warehouse March 27, 1888, shipped from warehouse March 27, 1888 Order number 5153.   ATF letter has some interesting info about a Captain Abel M Lozanao from Harlingen Texas.  I will send Bob the pictures.  <br />
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<p>That's great news!<br />
In you're first post you mentioned at the end what you needed to possibly sell this. As long as everything checks out and I assume it will, you now will have whatever you need.<br />
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Tony<br />
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<p>Thank you Tony.  I am still wondering about the legal pitfalls of possibly selling this rifle.  I am not a dealer and do not have the information I need to comfortably offer this rifle for sale.  Are there state laws (TX) or just federal law that I need to be aware of?   This rifle is obviously an antique, so not a firearm, but what about the length of the barrel?  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2026 17:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on 14” Trapper Carbine 1873 Winchester </title>
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<p><strong>BigIron said </strong><br />
This morning the Cody letter was found along with ATF form 4467 dated December 11, 1968 with info matching.   Cody letter confirms details.  Carbine, caliber 44, barrel length 14 inches, received in warehouse March 27, 1888, shipped from warehouse March 27, 1888 Order number 5153.   ATF letter has some interesting info about a Captain Abel M Lozanao from Harlingen Texas.  I will send Bob the pictures.  <br />
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<p>That's great news!</p>
<p>In you're first post you mentioned at the end what you needed to possibly sell this. As long as everything checks out and I assume it will, you now will have whatever you need.</p>
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<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2026 16:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>BigIron on 14” Trapper Carbine 1873 Winchester </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>This morning the Cody letter was found along with ATF form 4467 dated December 11, 1968 with info matching.   Cody letter confirms details.  Carbine, caliber 44, barrel length 14 inches, received in warehouse March 27, 1888, shipped from warehouse March 27, 1888 Order number 5153.   ATF letter has some interesting info about a Captain Abel M Lozanao from Harlingen Texas.  I will send Bob the pictures.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2026 16:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on 14” Trapper Carbine 1873 Winchester </title>
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<p><strong>1873man said </strong><br />
Indexing lines next to sights have been put on by Winchester occasionally but they are very short. You use them to reset your sight if they get bumped. The one on this gun is not original. There are marks on the top of the receiver a short ways back and the barrel band that serve no purpose. There are not many 14" trappers around that are pictured and most of them I have seen have been  messed with like this one. <br />
Bob<br />
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<p>Interesting Bob! I sure was wondering about that mark on the barrel band. I was gonna venture into Gordon's Books later as time allowed. By your statement saying "The one on this gun is not original", tells me a lot. These short barrel rifles, and especially, "the trappers", are never an inexpensive proposition. Naturally when $$$ is involved we tend to see things like this. With the couple things that you mention, it sure does make a person wonder what someone might have possibly done here long ago.</p>
<p>Bob, do you see that serial number in the ledgers that you have access to?</p>
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<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2026 15:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1873man on 14” Trapper Carbine 1873 Winchester </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Indexing lines next to sights have been put on by Winchester occasionally but they are very short. You use them to reset your sight if they get bumped. The one on this gun is not original. There are marks on the top of the receiver a short ways back and the barrel band that serve no purpose. There are not many 14" trappers around that are pictured and most of them I have seen have been  messed with like this one. </p>
<p>Bob</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2026 14:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on 14” Trapper Carbine 1873 Winchester </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I thought I saw an indexing mark in front of the rear sight as well. Is the line on top of the barrel band supposed to be there too?  I’m not sure why you’d need a mark there. If the gun was re barreled it was either a long time ago or someone is a master at aging.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2026 12:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on 14” Trapper Carbine 1873 Winchester </title>
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<p><strong>Darrin Smith said </strong><br />
I notice the stepped down portion on front of the receiver as typically found on all calibers except 44-40.<br />
Darrin<br />
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<p><strong>1873man said </strong></p>
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<p>On the short barreled guns they used the stepped receiver on the later models. They figured the short barrel put less stress on the threaded area of the receiver and they could lighten the gun.<br />
Bob<br />
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<p>That's an interesting fact Bob.</p>
<p><strong>1873man said,</strong></p>
<p> One thing caught my eye is the indexing mark on the top of the barrel and the receiver. The only reason for that is if you took the barrel off.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
<p>Bob,</p>
<p>The indexing mark is off a little slightly, but not enough for me to notice, until you mentioned it. You're experienced eye with the M-1873, and you're experience is second to none, certainly made me take notice of this fact also. With that fact, it makes me wonder about this one for sure. It would be nice to se a few more round barrel trappers, in the 14 inch barrel, to compare this mark to. </p>
<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2026 12:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on Rip off</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Good deal, glad you resolved that to your satisfaction.  Who knows what the full story is but obviously he wanted more money out of the gun.  Hopefully that’s the end of your troubles.  </p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2026 01:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1873man on 14” Trapper Carbine 1873 Winchester </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>On the short barreled guns they used the stepped receiver on the later models. They figured the short barrel put less stress on the threaded area of the receiver and they could lighten the gun.</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2026 00:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Darrin Smith on 14” Trapper Carbine 1873 Winchester </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I notice the stepped down portion on front of the receiver as typically found on all calibers except 44-40.</p>
<p>Darrin</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2026 00:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>1873man on 14” Trapper Carbine 1873 Winchester </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Here are the pictures. One thing caught my eye is the indexing mark on the top of the barrel and the receiver. The only reason for that is if you took the barrel off.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2026 00:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Buck94 on Rip off</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Well the plot thickens. They lowered their rate to $380. Still crazy high so I called in and was speaking to the young lady who answered the phone and questioned the rate. The owner comes on the line and went off on me. He said his Fed Ex rate alone was $120. Possible I suppose but when I told him there are better rates he said it is impossible because he is direct through FedEx. I don’t know if he is stupid, lazy or a liar but I then asked why he was adding over $250 on top of the shipping rate and he said he deserved to make money. Heck, I’m a capitalist and I agree but when I told him that is a ridiculous mark up he told me he would take it back to the auction house and hung up on me. Breaks my heart! In 15 minutes I had googled the closest FFL to the auction house, called them and they agreed to ship it to me for 1/3rd what this clown was trying to charge me. Interestingly the auction house or at least the person I spoke with there didn’t seem to care he is taking advantage of their clients. Makes me wonder if he is kicking back to them and that is part of the reason for the outrageous prices? Happy ending for me though!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2026 23:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on Short rifle SRC</title>
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<strong>BigIron said </strong><br />
[Image Can Not Be Found]Posting pics?<br />
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<p>Looking at you're avatar it shows you have 3 posts, and it says "member", but under that, "WACA guest". For security reasons, the Guest part won't let you post pics, due to the threat of scammers taking over our site.</p>
<p>I'm only assuming you're possibly a new member,(I now see you're listed below as a "Newest Member"), so if you send me you're pics, @Limestone304@aol.com, I'll see if I can post them for you, as a fellow member.</p>
<p>It's very possible you are a member in good standing and the WACA powers to be are on the road and getting into Cody, Wyoming for the annual WACA show, and will fix any issues here as soon as they get the chance.</p>
<p>Edited; I see that you deleted you're post that I'm glad I copied. I'm assuming that you're not interested in sending pics over. That's a shame as I'm sure we would like to see the short rifle you're referring to. (Maybe it's the 14 inch M-1873 trapper you posted, and Bob helped out with pictures).</p>
<p>Tony<br />
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2026 18:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on 14” Trapper Carbine 1873 Winchester </title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I'm looking forward to these pictures and information!</p>
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<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2026 18:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>MidwestCrisis on Scammers?</title>
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<p>try emailing this guy from his website.  I had a good experience with him. I didn’t barrels listed, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have one. </p>
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