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                    <title>Anthony on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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                    <title>Anthony on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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<p>Anthony said<br />
BERT SAID,<br />
Are there any additional pictures of #196? The link you provided has just the single picture.<br />
Bert,<br />
Here are more pics of #196.<br />
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<p>Please send me the full size pictures.<br />
I question the serial number placement, but anything could have happened back in those days.<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>Bert,</p>
<p>The serial number is on the top flat in front of the small rectangular piece of Silver inlay, and on the right side flat on the side of the barrel.</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2026 23:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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<p><strong>Anthony said </strong><br />
BERT SAID,<br />
Are there any additional pictures of #196? The link you provided has just the single picture.<br />
Bert,<br />
Here are more pics of #196.<br />
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<p>Please send me the full size pictures.</p>
<p>I question the serial number placement, but anything could have happened back in those days.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2026 23:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Anthony on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="1446" data-height="1928" title="IMG_7926.jpeg" alt="IMG_7926.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_7926.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="240" data-height="180" title="IMG_7927.jpeg" alt="IMG_7927.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_7927.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="240" data-height="320" title="IMG_7936.jpeg" alt="IMG_7936.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_7936.jpeg" />#196</p>
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                    <title>Anthony on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p><strong>BERT SAID,</strong></p>
<p>Are there any additional pictures of #196? The link you provided has just the single picture.</p>
<p>Bert,</p>
<p>Here are more pics of #196.</p>
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<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="240" data-height="180" title="IMG_8035.jpeg" alt="IMG_8035.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_8035.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="320" data-height="240" title="IMG_7930.jpeg" alt="IMG_7930.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_7930.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="240" data-height="180" title="IMG_8034.jpeg" alt="IMG_8034.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_8034.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="320" data-height="240" title="IMG_7931.jpeg" alt="IMG_7931.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_7931.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="320" data-height="240" title="IMG_8026.jpeg" alt="IMG_8026.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_8026.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="320" data-height="240" title="IMG_8027.jpeg" alt="IMG_8027.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_8027.jpeg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="320" data-height="240" title="IMG_8028.jpeg" alt="IMG_8028.jpeg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/limestone304aol-com/2026/08/IMG_8028.jpeg" /></p>
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                    <title>Bill Hanzel on WACA at OGCA September 26&#038;27</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Great on all the above!</p>
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					                    <pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2026 21:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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                    <title>Bert H. on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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<p>Bert H. said </p>
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<p>TXGunNut said<br />
Looking at that stamp I wonder if it passed through the Browning Brothers' shop more than once. <br />
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Mike<br />
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<p>Doubtful.  The stamped markings on it are correct for a late 1882 or early 1883 Browning Single Shot rifle.  The markings on it are identical to those on serial number 536.<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>Thanks, I was thinking they might have used "U.T." for Utah Territory instead of "Utah" for the early guns. Haven't been able to discover when they used the stamps we see. I was thinking a resale of the gun as a trade-in might explain what I thought was a later stamp. <br />
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Mike<br />
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<p>There are at least four different Browning markings that I have verified on Browning Single Shot and Winchester Single Shot rifles.</p>
<p>This is Browning Single Shot #536.  As you can see, it is nearly identical to the rifle Kirk acquired at Cody last month.</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="1353" data-height="323" title="536-1.jpg" alt="536-1.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/08/536-1.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="1302" data-height="327" title="536-2.jpg" alt="536-2.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/08/536-2.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="1294" data-height="559" title="536-3.jpg" alt="536-3.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/08/536-3.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="1290" data-height="587" title="536-4.jpg" alt="536-4.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/08/536-4.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="1296" data-height="291" title="536-5.jpg" alt="536-5.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/08/536-5.jpg" /></p>
<p>Bert</p>
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                    <title>TXGunNut on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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<p>TXGunNut said<br />
Looking at that stamp I wonder if it passed through the Browning Brothers' shop more than once. <br />
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Mike<br />
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<p>Doubtful.  The stamped markings on it are correct for a late 1882 or early 1883 Browning Single Shot rifle.  The markings on it are identical to those on serial number 536.<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>Thanks, I was thinking they might have used "U.T." for Utah Territory instead of "Utah" for the early guns. Haven't been able to discover when they used the stamps we see. I was thinking a resale of the gun as a trade-in might explain what I thought was a later stamp. </p>
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<p>Mike</p>
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                    <title>Chuck on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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<p>To the best of my knowledge, none have been verified with a serial number greater than 536.  I suspect that the total number that were made was something very close to 550.<br />
That display in 1997 was the same collector that set up his display at the Cody show just a few years later.  I spent more than 4-hours at the WACA show display talking to the fellow.  Unfortunately, I believe that he has since passed away.<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>I will try to find the small note about the quantity made. </p>
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                    <title>James W on WACA at OGCA September 26&#038;27</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>I am planning on going. I am about 200 miles (about 3 hours) away, so I will have to leave early in the morning to get there. I had been planning on going to the Cody Show, but decided it was too far. I will have to stick with the shows closer to home. And like always, I will be checking out the 21s.<img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" />  </p>
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                    <title>antler1 on The Beginning Of The Browning/Winchester Relationship</title>
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					                        <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the info. I couldn't find the Browning Bros stamps in my Maddis book but I'm not a very astute reader<img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" /></p>
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<p>Bert H. said </p>
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<p>antler1 said<br />
What years were Browning brothers stamping any model of Winchester that were sold thru their shop?<br />
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<p>Late 1885 through at least 1906.<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>This is one of the reasons I asked. It seems late in production to have a legit Browning Bros stamp.<br />
<a href="https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/4098/26/browning-bros-marked-winchester-model-1894-rifle" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/4098/26/browning-bros-marked-winchester-model-1894-rifle</a><br />
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<p>Pat,</p>
<p>The marking on that rifle is legit, but based on the position of the Browning marking, it was not one of the Patent payment guns shipped directly to Browning.  Instead, it is a rifle that was brought to Ogden to be serviced by Browning after it was originally shipped out west.  The serial number "348938" identifies it as an April 1907 production rifle.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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<p> About 15-years ago there was a display of (11) Browning Single Shot rifles at the annual WACA show in Cody.<br />
I have photos in my research files for 20 of the Browning rifles, lowest serial number is 88 and the highest is 536.<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>In 1997 when the Cody show was in the gymnasium there was a display of the Browning single shots.  Most I've ever seen in one place.<br />
Bert, do you know how many were made?  I have seen a document that says no more than 600?<br />
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<p>To the best of my knowledge, none have been verified with a serial number greater than 536.  I suspect that the total number that were made was something very close to 550.</p>
<p>That display in 1997 was the same collector that set up his display at the Cody show just a few years later.  I spent more than 4-hours at the WACA show display talking to the fellow.  Unfortunately, I believe that he has since passed away.</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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<p><strong>Anthony said </strong><br />
This is a picture of Browning's S.S. rifle #196, that is seen on the Browning Historic Timeline page. <br />
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<a href="https://www.browning.com/support/historic-timeline.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.browning.com/support/historic-timeline.html</a><br />
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Tony<br />
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<p>Are there any additional pictures of #196?  The link you provided has just the single picture.</p>
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<p>These are the markings on S/N 135. Note that both the Breech Block <strong><em>and</em></strong> the barrel have the Browning stamped marking;</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="1436" data-height="222" title="Browning-serial-number-marking.jpg" alt="Browning-serial-number-marking.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/08/Browning-serial-number-marking.jpg" /></p>
<p>This is S/N 212</p>
<p><img data-upload="1" data-width="977" data-height="248" title="Browning-Caliber-marking.jpg" alt="Browning-Caliber-marking.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/08/Browning-Caliber-marking.jpg" /><img data-upload="1" data-width="884" data-height="327" title="Serial-number-212.jpg" alt="Serial-number-212.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2026/08/Serial-number-212.jpg" /></p>
<p>Both of these rifles were chambered for the 45-70 Government</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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<p><strong>Bert H. said </strong></p>
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<p> About 15-years ago there was a display of (11) Browning Single Shot rifles at the annual WACA show in Cody.<br />
I have photos in my research files for 20 of the Browning rifles, lowest serial number is 88 and the highest is 536.<br />
Bert<br />
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<p>In 1997 when the Cody show was in the gymnasium there was a display of the Browning single shots.  Most I've ever seen in one place.</p>
<p>Bert, do you know how many were made?  I have seen a document that says no more than 600?</p>
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