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July 2, 2022 2:42 am
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…You can make 40-65 out of 45-70, just anneal and form in a 1894 Winchester 40-65 tool. Granted it is still head stamped 45-70 but it works. T/R

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July 1, 2022 11:04 pm
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…am in need of some 40-65 brass. If anyone has some they are wanting to part with, let me know. Prefer Starline. Ill make some from 45-70 if I cant find any.

Thanks!

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July 1, 2022 4:36 pm
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…Richards at Oldgunsights.com

Mailing address: 43585 Lake Olaf Lane    Pelican Rapids, MN 56572-7208

Phone:  218-863-4858     Cell: 701-238-6761

I've done business with Mike for over 15 years... he's good to deal with.  I'll be picking up some parts for a few of my "parts"

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…like the topic says!   If anyone has some "extra" rounds lying around or have some they want to get rid of let me know.  I have a pre64 model 70 arriving at my doorstep on tuesday.   

 

Thanks Gents!

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June 30, 2022 10:38 pm
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…a copy handy.  Hopefully this internal link will work:

https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/correct-sling-for-pre-war-m70-target-rifle/#p79365

There were basically two types of Winchester leather sling available for the pre-war M70.  One was basically the two

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June 30, 2022 2:41 pm
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…said

Dave K. said It is bad enough that my S&W Model 1 made in the 1870's is a prohibited firearm requiring a special class of licence simply because it is chambered in .22 Short (Black Powder) and I will not be able

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June 30, 2022 12:17 pm
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…# produced and serial # range of a 1938 model 94 in 32 WS? 

Thanks George

  

Per the original factory records Winchester manufactured 39,570 Model 94 & 64 Carbines & Rifles in the year 1938 (serial number range 1158836 - 1198405).  Based on my research survey, the Model 64…

…production was 23.385% of the 39,570 manufactured in the year 1938.  The remaining 76.615% of the production total was the Model 94. 

For the year 1938, the caliber ratio for the…

2. 32 WS = 40.32%

3. 25-35 WCF = 1.40%

The extrapolated 32 WS caliber production for the year 1938 would therefore be as follows;

39,570 x 76.615% = 30,317 Model 94s

30,317 x 40.32% = 12,224 32 WS

Bert

…K. said It is bad enough that my S&W Model 1 made in the 1870's is a prohibited firearm requiring a special class of licence simply because it is chambered in .22 Short (Black Powder) and I will not be able

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June 30, 2022 1:26 am
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…be permanently altered for any reason which will destroy their historical or collector value. It is bad enough that my S&W Model 1 made in the 1870's is a prohibited firearm requiring a special class of licence simply because it is chambered in .22 Short (Black Powder) and I will not be able

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June 30, 2022 12:51 am
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…currently but I’ll keep an eye out. 

Alternatively, any recommendations on 1 inch slings available nowadays that you’d put on your vintage M70

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June 29, 2022 10:18 pm
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…it would be useful to provide a timeline for some of the changes to the M54 that were adopted for regular production prior to the advent of the M70 (although the M70 was under development by 1934).  I'm not trying to cover everything, just some of the things relevant to the M54/M70 transition…

…. This info is largely from David Bichrest's M54 book and the M54 chapter of his Roger Rule's M70 book.

Winchester started using Winchester Proof Steel (CMS) barrels in 1932, replacing the Nickel Steel barrels.  These barrels had the same…

…integral forged ramp as was later used on the M70 standard contour barrel, and replaced the "pinned" front sight arrangement of the Nickel Steel barrels.  The adoption of the modified "NRA style"…

…rifles with Nickel Steel barrels, MOST of the regular production M54 standard rifles from 1932-1936 had NRA style stocks and CMS barrels with the M70-like ramp.

The "A" suffix that appeared in M54 receivers around S/N 21000 referred to a change to the front edge of the extractor from rounded to…

…squared.  The latter extractor is similar to that of the M70.

The initial M54 firing pin assembly was a two-piece affair.  This was changed to a one-piece firing pin with integral striker around 1929. …

… While the one-piece firing pin/striker is similar to that used on the M70, the differences in trigger mechanism and sear engagement (as well as the orientation of the safety) make them non-interchangeable.  The M54 …

…the Speed Lock, not the barrel steel.  The two changes just occurred about the same time... 

By way of comparison; original M54 (top) versus M70 firing pin/striker/main spring/bolt sleeve assemblies:

M54 (top) and M70 trigger/sear geometry:

The receiver and bolt gas porting,…

…in the right side of the receiver and underside of the bolt, was applied to the M54 in regular production from 1934-36.  It was adopted for the M70, but was designed by Arthur A. Rowley for the M54 and already in use.

Hence, many of the "improved" features seen on the new M70 had already been…

…put into production on the M54 by 1934.  The BIG differences between the later M54 and the new M70 related to the trigger/sear (hence bolt stop), the bolt sleeve safety, and the two-piece trigger guard/floor plate.  Much of the other stuff was…

…already in place on M54s before the first production M70 was assembled.

As you can see from the photo above, the M54 trigger cannot function with a M70 firing pin/striker.  Also, on the M54 the sear…

…angled cut in the bottom of the M54 bolt body (and the fact that to remove the bolt from a M54 you pull the trigger all the way back).  On the M70 the bolt stop is a separate spring loaded lever that protrudes into the left lug raceway and engages the left locking lug.

Bolt stop cut on the…

…underside of the M54 bolt compared to the M70:

The change in safety from a horizontally rotating "flip over" style on the M54 to the vertically rotating "flag style" on the M70 also…

…pin/striker.  In the photo below both safeties are in the middle position that allows the cocked bolt to be withdrawn from the receiver.  Hence, a M70 firing pin/striker/bolt sleeve will go into a M54 bolt just fine, but the rifle won't cock (no sear engagement), the safety can't go on (no notch…

…your question... Assuming that you are starting with a M54 receiver/trigger system that has the Speed Lock, I think you can make it work with a M70 bolt body as long as you add the sear engagement shoulder to the bottom of the bolt and keep the M54 one-piece firing pin/striker and bolt sleeve…

…safety.  If you want to use a M70 bolt sleeve/safety as well, I think you can make it work as long as you ALSO mill the right side of the M54 striker to engage the vertical shaft of…

…the M70 safety. 

Of course, I am NOT a gunsmith and do not have any late M54s around to try this out.  So I may be TOTALLY out to lunch...   I know…

…that the old style "slow lock" M54 striker will not engage an old style M54 two-stage trigger when put into a M70 bolt body, but I think it would (might???) work with the M54 Speed Lock.  Anyone want to clear this up for me???  If not, I'll just have to…

…take Tedk'S M54 22 HORNET (Speed Lock rifle) apart and see what M70 parts can be swapped in...

Best,

Lou

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June 29, 2022 8:18 pm
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…Ron-

Both 1" and 1 1/4" STANDARD non-detachable sling swivels were available from the outset of pre-64 M70 manufacture in 1936.  In the 1939 Component Parts Catalog, Part 13470 was "Stock screw eye with swivel bow for 1" or 1 1/4" bows, for Reg. gun" (…

…"regular" in this case meaning the Standard rifle).  Part 13570 was "Forearm screw eye swivel complete for 1" or 1 1/4" bows, for Reg. gun".  The part descriptions are confusing, but they refer to illustrations…

…in the back of the catalog that show these to be the standard front/rear fixed swivels as used on the M70 Standard Grade.  FWIW... Both 1" and 1 1/4" "Sling Strap Snap Swivels" (what Winchester called the detachable swivels used on Super Grades)…

… were available as Part 13670.

Winchester appears to have supplied the 1 1/4" fixed swivels as factory equipment on at least some of the heavy barrel rifles in standard stocks,…

… e.g. the 375 MAGNUM standard rifles with 24" straight taper barrels (the target weight/contour).  Otherwise they could be had on order or simply ordered as separate parts.

If you get original Winchester 1 1/4" swivels they

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June 29, 2022 6:49 pm
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…old gun should not be pushed to the max pressure no matter what the data says.  This data is probably OK for a modern gun in 45-70.  I've seen more than one 86 with problems from shooting high pressure loads.  I once pushed an 86 in 45-90 to around 2100 FPS.  I really don't

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June 29, 2022 4:11 pm
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…said

1 1/4” sling swivels were also supplied on pre-war Standard Grade M70’s.

  

Only on target rifles, as far as I can determine from my 1939 catalog.  Stock dimension specs for standard models don't include swivel widths, but 1-1/4" is…

…specified for all the target models.  Leads me to believe 1" was considered "standard" by the factory.

Here's a strange curiosity I discovered when I tried to fit a M1907

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June 29, 2022 3:40 pm
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….com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/DP2200.pdf

Scroll down and load data including cartridges .25-20, .32-20, .30-30, .35 Remington, .45-70, .458 Win. magnum will be found.

My situation: I'm not considering purchasing this powder to use, I already have it.  And I have used it in…

…many different cartridges.  It's the .45-70 that I am pondering.  

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June 29, 2022 3:13 pm
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…said

1 1/4” sling swivels were also supplied on pre-war Standard Grade M70’s.

  

I was not aware of this - if you know where one can buy such (or similar) 1 1/4 sling swivels please let me know!

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June 29, 2022 2:34 pm
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…1/4” sling swivels were also supplied on pre-war Standard Grade M70’s.

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June 29, 2022 1:38 pm
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…P said

Would it be a bad idea to try to install 1 1/4 swivels on one?

  

I'd say that depends on the age & overall condition of your 70.  If it's a late post-war gun in so-so cond., I don't believe non-original swivels would cause a significant loss of value.  A pre-war, or an…

…early post-war 70 in excellent cond., or in a rare caliber, should be left alone.

But you're absolutely right that 1" swivels were an utterly stupid choice (just

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June 29, 2022 1:23 pm
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…pre-war / pre-64 standard grade M70’s as you know came with 1 inch sling swivels. I put a 1-inch m1907 sling (by Hunter) on one and it looks a bit flimsy. I feel like a rifle of…

…this heft should have 1 1/4 slings but I’m the furthest from an expert. 

Any insights on what [1 inch] slings were generally put on vintage M70’s in standard grade? Mostly lightweight carrying straps?

Would it be a bad idea to try to install 1 1/4 swivels on one? Would that mess up the

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June 29, 2022 12:32 pm
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…some point  for  full- production.in 1936.  in 1936    Model 54 production ceased, except special orders , from stock. they were producing model 70 marked parts, recievers  new numbers etc., barrels,   stock modifications , would all be  the Model 70

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June 28, 2022 9:51 pm
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…what am I going to do with all of these books?

Steve,  When you figure that out, please let me know at once!  Think I've got on the order of 700 gun, hunting, fishing, & natural history books, plus another 100 or so dog books.  Plus about 20 Rifleman bound vols.  Plus gun, sight,

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June 28, 2022 2:07 am
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…what am I going to do with all of these books?

Steve,  When you figure that out, please let me know at once!  Think I've got on the order of 700 gun, hunting, fishing, & natural history books, plus another 100 or so dog books.  Plus about 20 Rifleman bound vols.  Plus gun, sight,

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June 28, 2022 1:07 am
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…what am I going to do with all of these books?

Steve,  When you figure that out, please let me know at once!  Think I've got on the order of 700 gun, hunting, fishing, & natural history books, plus another 100 or so dog books.  Plus about 20 Rifleman bound vols.  Plus gun, sight,

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June 27, 2022 11:23 pm
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…recommend when using his data to start lower and work up.  Doing this type of reloading is why I bought a chronograph.  I wouldn't shoot my 45-70's that fast. 

  

But he also provides loads intended for the weakest actions--Trapdoors & Ballards. 

  

I'm doubting Ken's loading

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June 27, 2022 10:23 pm
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…recommend when using his data to start lower and work up.  Doing this type of reloading is why I bought a chronograph.  I wouldn't shoot my 45-70's that fast. 

  

But he also provides loads intended for the weakest actions--Trapdoors & Ballards. 

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June 27, 2022 8:01 pm
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June 27, 2022 7:08 pm
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…comfortable with tangible provenances supporting!  

Last, a question. I'm familiar with information concerning the Factory substituting Model 70 bolts in Models 54 as required after Factory Model 54 bolt supplies were exhausted.  My question. Were all such 70 substitute assemblies with the 70 striker componets, perhaps modified?  Or were some 70 bolts themselves modified to accept Model 54 striker group assemblies... 'Inquiring minds.

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June 27, 2022 6:16 pm
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…recommend when using his data to start lower and work up.  Doing this type of reloading is why I bought a chronograph.  I wouldn't shoot my 45-70's that fast. 

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