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Wow!!! Model 73 Carbine in .22??
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August 25, 2016 - 5:58 pm
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http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-antique-lever/winchester-1873-22-cal-src.cfm?gun_id=100741285

I’ve never even imagined that winchester made a 73 SRC in 22!!!

 

I’m sure one of you have seen this before…

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In addition to the 22 short rarity, I don’t believe I’ve seen a 73 SRC with a forend cap as opposed to a band and with an octagon barrel. 

$65,000 ???

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Its definitely a one of a kind.

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1873man said
Its definitely a one of a kind.

Bob  

Amen to that!  Is this a Roger Q. gun?

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the closest 73 i’ve seen to one like this is a 22 with a 20 inch barrel…but no saddle ring….

 

How many do you think might actually exist?  Bob/Burt have you guys ever heard of this gun or others like it?

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He didn’t post the serial number, so way to call it to verify it. That front barrel band seems a little far back to me. I’d want the whole serial number before buying that one.

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mjuarez0829 said
the closest 73 i’ve seen to one like this is a 22 with a 20 inch barrel…but no saddle ring….

 

How many do you think might actually exist?  Bob/Burt have you guys ever heard of this gun or others like it?  

I checked my survey and I don’t have any SRC. I have 4 20″ rifles and one 18″ rifle. None with a carbine stock. The 20″ you saw, did it have a carbine stock?

If the letter is legit and it does look right its a one of a kind.

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No carbine stock… it had a rifle stock

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Bert H. said

Amen to that!  Is this a Roger Q. gun?

Bert  

I would say not. The gun is listed as being in St Petersburg and Roger is on the other side in West Palm Beach.

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Questions toward learning–

How can the receiver and other pictured areas be so pristine, while the elevator base and the tang screws are of a used appearance?

When someone marred those tang screws, was the likely cause switching out a tang sight?

If it had a tang sight and shooting/using the rifle caused the marks on the elevator, why isn’t the receiver showing wear where the ring would rub?  Leather laces would keep the receiver spotless?

Since the elevator is dinged, why doesn’t the wood show marks due to use?

 

One more thought:  Since my birthday was last week and you missed the opportunity, that rifle would certainly serve as a dandy Christmas present.  Let me know when you’ve purchase it, and I’ll send you my address.  –Better yet, I’ll come pick it up and create a new holiday in September.  Something to fit the solemnity and awe of giving another person a best-of-their-lifetime Winchester.  It will take a bit to conjure a catchy name that will make an even better acronym.  And we (my mouse and I) will come up with a nice ditty which will contain a verse with your name (to go down in HISTORY) and your generosity to be sung FOR AGES TO COME!  Such a goooood deal!         (I’d best stop there.  I’m getting worse than the descriptions by one of those not-so-honest Californian sellers.)

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Happy Belated Birthday!

Based on your Christmas present request it is obvious you are up way past your bedtime.

Regardless, hope you enjoyed your B-day and have many more in the future.

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I think whoever wrote in the warehouse ledger got it wrong.It looks like it should be called a short rifle with a sling ring and carbine butt.That is if it is now as it left the factory.

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This is a very interesting configuration. Due to the fact that no finish on this gun is original, I bet the chances are very good that it was “built” to match a rare ledger entry. IF this gun was in original condition(even brown), it would be a real gem.

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I  too like the configuration and wouldn’t mind owning it but not at that price. It would go good with my extra heavy 22.

What is interesting is the payment types accepted. Cash or Postal money order, at $1000 a piece you need 65 money orders. How long would it take to get them and I wouldn’t want to be the guy waiting in line behind him.

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I agree with Podufa, I think it meant carbine length rifle. Julias has a 1866 rifle with a 20″ bbl that letters “carbine length”.

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Thank you, JWA.  My presents this year were a cucumber and a hunk of caramel.  Simple, but plenty meaningful.

I haven’t studied ’73’s, so my questions might be a tad elementary–

The “S” in “Short” looks a bit high of the baseline for the “HORT” and the “T” appears a 1/2 hair high also.  Did Winchester keep their lettering perfect, or did the height and slant differ slightly?

Austin’s Guns–In the first photo, the portion of the screws and their holes looks odd:  sanded?  What clues are evident that this Winchester has a non-factory finish?

And why wouldn’t a seller replace those torn tang screws, especially if the piece had been refinished anyway?

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The barrel length is not stated but would assume to be a 20″ barrel–as fitting the specifications for a carbine as listed on the letter (cant really tell from the pics and the letter doesnt state).  Appears that someone wanted/ordered a “carbine” in 22 caliber and Win. made up the carbine using a rifle barrel.  Im limited in my knowledge of 73’s but I dont recall 22 cal being made with carbine barrels, only rifle barrels??  If not made, stands to reason a rifle barrel was substituted or used, all other features (saddle ring, buttstock, sights) being that of a carbine as ordered.  Neat rifle, I mean carbine…  I also noticed it had caliber marking on the elevator, is this common for 22 cal?

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Since they made the carbine in every other caliber (the .32 being slightly different) I would think unless they specifically ordered an octagon barrel they would have made it like the smaller .32 caliber with the typical rifle retaining band and not the carbine front sight band. I think a standard carbine in a .22 would have been awesome.

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The stamps for the calibers were made by the engravers of the time. I have a set that were made by J. Ulrich and as such the quality of the lettering was great. The caliber number, the word “Cal”  and “Short” would of been separate stamps. I found this picture from a Julias auction for comparison.

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Bob, Please help me understand how the For Sale .22 Carbine Roll marks differ from the Julias Auction .22 Roll marks. Thanks!

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