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Do any of you collect Winchester Ammo to match your Winchester Rifles? 

I picked up some old/new 40-82 & 44-40 Winchester cartridges to go with my 1886 sporting rifle and 1873 carbine!

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Kevin,

 I collect ammo for the 73’s and what would look good with your carbine is the early 73 44-40 picture box.

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^ Wow, that’s cool! I haven’t seen one of those, approx what date would that ammo be?

I’m on the hunt now!!!Wink

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Knives, ammo, booze, and plenty of dull deer antlers to boot!–Kevin, sending invitations to your party?

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Knives, ammo, booze, and plenty of dull deer antlers to boot!–Kevin, sending invitations to your party?  

What can I say; I love to collect interesting stuffSmile

I use deer, elk, moose antlers to make displays for some of my knives.

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Kevin,

I’m not a ammo expert but I think they started around 1880 and continued through the turn of the century. The early ones have the carbine with a front barrel band and rifle rear sight. Then they changed the picture of a 32 caliber carbine that has the rifle front barrel ring and a carbine rear sight which is odd since the picture is only on the 44-40 boxes.

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1873man said

Kevin,

I’m not a ammo expert but I think they started around 1880 and continued through the turn of the century. The early ones have the carbine with a front barrel band and rifle rear sight. Then they changed the picture of a 32 caliber carbine that has the rifle front barrel ring and a carbine rear sight which is odd since the picture is only on the 44-40 boxes.

Bob  

Thanks, great info.

I believe the 40-82 & 44-40 I posted are later, early 1900-ish. 

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Kevin,

Look for a date code in the lower right hand side of the label. The later labels were dated

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Kevin,

I had the ammo disease years ago. I had to have a box for this gun, and then a better box and so-on. I was buying vintage ammo in bulk at auctions. Finally, I came back to sanity. There is a great book on Winchester cartridges, written by Ray Giles and Dan Shuey. rtgammo.com

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Kevin Jones said

^ Wow, that’s cool! I haven’t seen one of those, approx what date would that ammo be?

I’m on the hunt now!!!Wink  

Hi Kevin,

Ward’s Auction is sometimes a good place to look for these old boxes of ammo. They happen to have one of those old style 1873 44-40 boxes on the current auction–still sealed.  I often see better deals here than on Gunbroker.  They have a lot of decent Winchesters this time around too.

Here’s the link to the 44-40 ammo box:

https://www.wardscollectibles.com/viewitem.php?item=3046

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1873man said

Kevin,

Look for a date code in the lower right hand side of the label. The later labels were dated

Bob  

The 44-40 box is coded 3-17 and the 40-82 box is coded 11-8

So I guess that would translate to March 1917 and Nov 1908 ?

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Kevin Jones said

^ Wow, that’s cool! I haven’t seen one of those, approx what date would that ammo be?

I’m on the hunt now!!!Wink  

Hi Kevin,

Ward’s Auction is sometimes a good place to look for these old boxes of ammo. They happen to have one of those old style 1873 44-40 boxes on the current auction–still sealed.  I often see better deals here than on Gunbroker.  They have a lot of decent Winchesters this time around too.

Here’s the link to the 44-40 ammo box:

https://www.wardscollectibles.com/viewitem.php?item=3046

Don  

Thanks, I will check that out.

For sale on GI; 

http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/gun-parts-accessories/ammo-american-collectible/winchester-early-44-w-c-f-1873-carbine-picture-box.cfm?gun_id=100620025

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Kevin,

I had the ammo disease years ago. I had to have a box for this gun, and then a better box and so-on. I was buying vintage ammo in bulk at auctions. Finally, I came back to sanity. There is a great book on Winchester cartridges, written by Ray Giles and Dan Shuey. rtgammo.com

Walter  

Hey Wally, yep it’s easy to get caught up in it. 

I’ve checked out Ray Giles site. 

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Kevin,

$1600 is way too much for a sealed box. They should go for $800-$900.

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I do collect period to my rifle ammo. I have three different 44’s for my M1892’s. One sealed box of HV ammo and some real early stuff. My early M1892 is a 1901 vintage rifle. I also have period 32 special, 30-30, 32-40, 38-55 and 25-35. Looks good when displayed with the rifles.  Big Larry

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1873man said

Kevin,

$1600 is way too much for a sealed box. They should go for $800-$900.

Bob  

Thanks Bob, even with what little I know it sounded way high. The sealed box on the Ward auction site doesn’t seem to be in as good condition, but I expect it will sell for quite a bit less than $1600. 

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I also collect full ammo boxes for the various Model 1885 Single Shot Rifles that I have in my collection. I have at least 4 dozen full boxes of various WRACo cartridges, with the 40-90 Ballard and 50-95 WCF Shot cartridges being the rare ones.

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Bob,

In my opinion, $1600.00 is market correct for a sealed picture box with a excellent label. There are label pieces missing on both boxes. Ray Giles says these are fairly common , but I see less and less on the market.  If you have a 90% 1873, you would want the best cartridge box.

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Here is my collection.

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Bob,

That is some neat stuff. Who would have known that some cartridge boxes are worth as much as the gun?

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