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Hi,

Does anyone know the highest 1894 rifle serial number known? BOBR states in his book production ended around 1080000. I have 1022187 in 32 SPL for any survey.

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Walter,

Bob R is nearing completion of a new addendum to his last book, and it will update many items including your question.  Because I have provided Bob with my Model 94 surveys for a number of years now, I can tell you the last Model 94 “Rifle” was much later than serial number 1080000. 

More specifically, Winchester did not stop production of the Model 94 Sporting Rifle until December 1937. Winchester announced in the January 1938 Salesman catalog that it had been discontinued as of that time.  The last serial number in 1937 was 1158835.  

In my ongoing research survey, I have recorded (17) rifles with serial numbers greater than 1080000.  The highest number is 1663507, a 32 WIN SPL, 26″ round barrel (dated “52”).  I have surveyed (140) Rifles with serial numbers later than 1022187.  That stated, I would like to add your rifle to the list.  If you would, please provide the details (e.g. barrel length, barrel shape, mag length, butt plate type, upper tang marking type, etc).

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Bert,

Thanks for the interesting info. That era is a study in itself with the Depression and Winchester being sold to the Western Cartridge Co.

1894 1022187 is a standard round barrel rifle with no special order options.

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Walter,

Thanks, I have added it to the survey.  Below is a list of the Rifles I have surveyed thus far. There are a few that I did not get all of the details, maybe somebody here on the forum has one of them.

1022187 32 W.S. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1022322 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1022494 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1023577 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel TD
1023812 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1025401 32 W.S. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1025536 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1025681 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1026073 32 W.S. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1026107 32 W.S. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1026391 25-35 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1026701 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1028643 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1028644 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1028679 32 W.S. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1030415 30 W.C.F. 24″ Round Nickel Steel  
1030771 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1030843 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1030985 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1032898 32 W.S. 26″ Round Nickel Steel TD
1035699 30 W.C.F. 24″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1036043 32-40 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1036222 32 W.S. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1036337 25-35 W.C.F. ? ? Nickel Steel  
1036388 32 W.S. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1036407 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1036521 32 W.S. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1037424 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1037521 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1037574 32-40 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1038388 25-35 W.C.F. 26″ Round Stainless Stl  
1038572 32-40 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1039026 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel TD
1039369 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel TD
1043717 30 W.C.F. 20″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1043939 32 W.S. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1043944 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1044040 32 W.S. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1044057 32 W.S. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1044557 32 W.S. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1044843 32 W.S. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1045839 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1045846 ? 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1046119 25-35 W.C.F. 26″ ? Nickel Steel  
1046518 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1046616 30 W.C.F. 20″ Round Nickel Steel  
1047129 25-35 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1047286 25-35 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1048029 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1048361 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1048730 38-55 26″ Round Nickel Steel TD
1048746 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1049005 25-35 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel TD
1049018 25-35 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1049762 25-35 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1049790 32-40 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1049830 38-55 26″ Round Nickel Steel TD
1049838 32-40 26″ Round Nickel Steel TD
1050232 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1050339 32-40 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1050346 25-35 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1050525 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1050705 32 W.S. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1051193 38-55 26″ Round Nickel Steel TD
1051200 32-40 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1051220 32-40 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1051500 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1051733 25-35 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1052307 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1052500 32 W.S. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1053090 38-55 26″ Round Nickel Steel TD
1053093 38-55 26″ Round Nickel Steel TD
1053413 30 W.C.F. 20″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1054967 30 W.C.F. 20″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1055496 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1055951 30 W.C.F. 26″ ½ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1056856 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1057146 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1057438 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1058065 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1058258 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1058751 32 W.S. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1058933 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1060396 25-35 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1060530 25-35 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1060896 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1061129 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1061239 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1061629 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1061801 32 W.S. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1062020 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1063268 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1063794 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1064390 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1064456 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1064668 25-35 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1065554 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1065806 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1066743 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1066930 25-35 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1067684 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel  
1067759 32 W.S. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1068387 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1068441 32 W.S. 26″ ½ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1068463 32 W.S. 26″ ½ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1068798 30 W.C.F. 26″ ½ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1068803 32 W.S. 26″ ½ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1068820 32 W.S. 26″ ½ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1068832 32 W.S. 26″ ½ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1069002 30 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1069067 30 W.C.F. 26″ ½ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1069076 32 W.S. 26″ ½ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1069175 32 W.S. 26″ ½ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1069978 25-35 W.C.F. 26″ ½ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1072330 30 W.C.F. 24″ Round Nickel Steel  
10725xx 32 W.S. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1072911 30 W.C.F. 22″ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1073103 38-55 26″ Round Nickel Steel TD
1075891 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel TD
1077528 30 W.C.F. 20″ Octagon Stainless Stl  
1079126 30 W.C.F. 20″ Octagon Nickel Steel TD
1079268 30 W.C.F. 20″ Round Nickel Steel TD
1079291 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Nickel Steel TD
1079381 32 W.S. 22″ Octagon Proof Steel TD
1084125 32 W.S. 26″ Round Proof Steel  
1084964 25-35 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1085101 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Proof Steel  
1085765 25-35 W.C.F. 26″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1086304 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Proof Steel  
1090649 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Proof Steel  
1091493 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Proof Steel  
1111183 32 W.S. 24″ Round Proof Steel  
1118274 38-55 24″ Round Nickel Steel  
1130423 30 W.C.F. 26″ Round Proof Steel  
1159897 32 W.S. 26″ ½ Octagon Proof Steel  
1207393 25-35 W.C.F. ? Octagon Proof Steel  
1218217 30 W.C.F. 20″ Octagon Nickel Steel  
1299080 32 W.S. 24″ Round Proof Steel  
1302470 38-55 24″ Round Nickel Steel  
1343103 32-40 26″ Round Proof Steel  
1663507 32 WIN. SPL. 26″ Round Proof Steel  

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Perhaps we should refer to my book, page 66. This is likely the last “pre-64” RIFLE built at Winchester AND the last pre-64 in 38-55. It also has the earliest of the Proof Steel markings which we know are unusual in a pre-64, 38-55. Of course this is despite its dubious assembly but it was none-the-less factory built. I suspect that many of the very late rifles that were built, 38-55 or not, were likely of a “special” assembly – a lack of proper inspection marks would be telling as well.

My 1080000 number was gleaned from known records at the time of original publication. Bert’s great research has allowed me to “fine tune” many of my pre- 90’s figures and is greatly appreciated. My final addendum will uncover mistakes and correct a great many earlier assumptions and is available in PDF format. It includes much of Bert’s research material in the form of “fun facts.” 

Let the fun begin again on this subject!!!!Laugh

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Bob,

When can we get a copy of your addendum?

Thanks,

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It’s advertised on GB now.

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Thanks Bob and Bert, I just placed my order,

and thank you both for all you do for the Winchester Collecting community.

Al DeAngelo

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Hi all,

I have Winchester 94 serial 1136518, 32 win. spl., 20″ round barrel, proof steel. Please add it your data base.

Any other info needed?

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Michael Marvin said

Hi all,

I have Winchester 94 serial 1136518, 32 win. spl., 20″ round barrel, proof steel. Please add it your data base.

Any other info needed?

Thanks

m

Michael,

I suspect that you have a standard Sporting Carbine with a serrated steel butt plate. Can you please confirm.

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Thanks for your reply Bert. Yes standard Sporting Carbine (no saddle ring) with  steel serrated butt plate.

Has the four position rear sight, hooded front sight.

I think is was made in 1936. Maybe you could confirm that for me.

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Michael Marvin said

Thanks for your reply Bert. Yes standard Sporting Carbine (no saddle ring) with  steel serrated butt plate.

Has the four position rear sight, hooded front sight.

I think is was made in 1936. Maybe you could confirm that for me.

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July 1937.

 

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Thanks!

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Hi my name Matthew and I just recently got handed my grandpa’s old rifle and it is a Winchester       25-35 wcf model 1894 . there’s a ring holder but no ring I guess it broke off or something . for the looks of the pics I have looked at it looks like a carbine . 

Is there anyone that can tell me more about it ?

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Matthew,

Yes, but we first need the Serial Number. Additionally, post a link to clear pictures of it.

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Ok well I dont know how to post or get a pic on here . I’m writing this on my phone . the serial number is 542026 tho 

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Matthew,

The serial number identifies it as a 1912 production Model 1894. From your description, it is SRC (Saddle Ring Carbine), albeit missing the ring.

To post pictures as a Guest on the WACA forums, you need to upload them to a 3rd party hosting service, then insert the URL to them in the message you post here.

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Bert, you have # 1050232 listed as a oct. bbl. rifle. It has in fact, a round bbl. Does not appear to have been messed with. Big Larry

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Thank you Burt H. 

And yes its just missing the ring .

Ok well I’m not that good for doing at that third party stuff . but I know the at the gun shop here in Lufkin Texas as I walked in with it and set it on the counter to find some shells the guy looked at me and looked at the gun and went to his gun book and then walked up to the counter offered me like 1,300 for it before I can ask him if he had the shells lol

I told him no since there’s a lot of history behind the gun within my family and how my grandpa got the gun . well thank you for your help again.  

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