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I am trying to build a database of known serial numbers for the alleged 77 guns that were produced in the 1939-1940 range or serial number range of 45,000 – 47,000.

Please let me know if you have or know of any of those smoothbores. I have 12 serial numbers as of now.

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Hello Renegade:

You may have the following SN of the Routledge Bore that I passed up at an auction two years ago. We communicated in March of 2011 in which I mentioned the rifle, and its SN 45,112. this rifle was in the mid to low 80% condition area and went for $3400.

I will try to get you the SNs of the three Routledge Bore variants of which I know the owners.

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Hello Renegade:

You may have the following SN of the Routledge Bore that I passed up at an auction two years ago. We communicated in March of 2011 in which I mentioned the rifle, and its SN 45,112. this rifle was in the mid to low 80% condition area and went for $3400.

I will try to get you the SNs of the three Routledge Bore variants of which I know the owners.

Merrill

Thanks Merrill, I didn’t have it on the list. It has been added and we are up to 13. Will be very interesting to see where this takes us!!!

Of note: 7 of the 13 are 45xxx range, 2 in the 46xxx range, and 4 in the 47xxx range

Lastly, 3:58 A.M.????? What are you doing up at that time???

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Hi,

I recently acquired a Model 61 with Routledge bore and I thought you may want to add it to the list of documented guns. In the interest of full disclosure- I own a gun shop in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area…

Serial number is 46649 (made in 1940). Gun is in around 85% condition overall and the finish and configuration is all original. I have not decided what to do with this one yet, it may have to go into the personal collection due to its rarity. The previous owner just about fainted when I told him what my offer was, he thought he would be getting about 100 bucks for it!

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Is anyone doing a census on the winchester bore 61 shot? I have one of the early WW11 models with the matted receiver. Serial 51932 and in extremely nice condition. Gun was born, per Schwing, a couple of years before me. Gun shoots a perfectly round, 12" pattern at10 yards.

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Hello Bill,

I am conducting a survey of the entire production run of the Model 61’s in an effort to define the percentage of the various chamber and barrel combinations. To date I have cataloged almost 1700 rifles and will add yours to the effort. Does your rifle also have a checkered steel butt plate and a the upper tang with two screws?

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Michael, my 61 does have the checkered steel buttplate and the two screws for a tang sight. I also have 330444, a .22 magnum and 170296, a .22 S, L, and LR. The later has the checkered steel butt plate and the former, the plastic plate. Both guns are in 98 percent condition and shoot as good as they look. The magnum came with the mini Redfield 4X scope. Great guns.

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Bill wrote:

Michael, my 61 does have the checkered steel butt plate and the two screws for a tang sight. I also have 330444, a .22 magnum and 170296, a .22 S, L, and LR. The later has the checkered steel butt plate and the former, the plastic plate. Both guns are in 98 percent condition and shoot as good as they look. The magnum came with the mini Redfield 4X scope. Great guns.

Thanks so much Bill. Your rifles are now part of the data base. I greatly appreciate it. I have 30 Model 61 rifles and confess that I have not shot them all. Those I do are a real treat. I do plan on trying to take a hog with one of the magnums one day. There are a couple spots where I can usually get an pretty easy 30 to 40 yard head shot and that should put them to sleep nicely. When I do there will be photos!

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Michael, I use my .22 mag primarily for chucks and it does a fine job. Are you talking wild boars or javalinas? The mag may be a little light for the big hogs. By the way, wild boar are beginning to be a major problem here in upstate NY. The DEC is trying to figure out what to do about them as they are causing terrific damage to farmers crops and fields. One thing the DEC has proposed is they not be shot as this will cause them to scatter a result in a laeger area of infestation. If I see them on my farm, they will be shot with my pre 64 70 in .375 H&H. They will not scatter very far.

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The 22 Mag placed in the skull between the eyes will definitely put a hog to sleep quickly. I have done it with a bow and arrow and the mag has a hell of a lot more energy. If the NY DEC thinks that shooting hogs will scatter them over a larger area the they(DEC) obviously have the brains scattered over a large area! Here in Texas we have 2 to 3 million hogs in the state and they are shot at, trapped, snared, and killed any way we can and for some reason they have not scattered out of the state in any way. The problem with shooting hogs is that it is extremely difficult to kill more than one or two as they are hauling butt for cover. The most effective way to control them is through very specific large pen trapping, and then shooting, in an area where they have become a problem. A female hog can have three litters a year of usually 4 to 8 little ones. The sows of the first litter can be pregnant before they reach one year of age. The reproductive capability is amazing. They will eat almost anything and live anywhere.

I use every means available depending on moon light and where the hogs are at any certain time, and how I want to hunt them. There is no closed season, no bag limit, no license needed since they are non game animals. You can bait and use any kind of lights you want. My .308’s will have a silencer soon.
1. Bow and arrow. Typically sitting at a corn feeder. Early morning, evening, and into the night with red light at stand.
2. Crossbow. Typically sitting at a corn feeder. Early morning, evening, and into the night with red light at stand.
3. Vintage Model 1892 and 1873 while spot and stalk in the thick woods on my property. I keep a the trails cleared and real quiet.
4. .308 caliber with night vision scope for bright moonlit nights. It may as well be daytime.
5. .308 with thermal viewing scope for any night that is pitch black. Nothing can hide from this scope.

And best of all. The yare pretty darn tasty.
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The 22 Mag placed in the skull between the eyes will definitely put a hog to sleep quickly. I have done it with a bow and arrow and the mag has a hell of a lot more energy. If the NY DEC thinks that shooting hogs will scatter them over a larger area the they(DEC) obviously have the brains scattered over a large area! Here in Texas we have 2 to 3 million hogs in the state and they are shot at, trapped, snared, and killed any way we can and for some reason they have not scattered out of the state in any way. The problem with shooting hogs is that it is extremely difficult to kill more than one or two as they are hauling butt for cover. The most effective way to control them is through very specific large pen trapping, and then shooting, in an area where they have become a problem. A female hog can have three litters a year of usually 4 to 8 little ones. The sows of the first litter can be pregnant before they reach one year of age. The reproductive capability is amazing. They will eat almost anything and live anywhere.

I use every means available depending on moon light and where the hogs are at any certain time, and how I want to hunt them. There is no closed season, no bag limit, no license needed since they are non game animals. You can bait and use any kind of lights you want. My .308’s will have a silencer soon.
1. Bow and arrow. Typically sitting at a corn feeder. Early morning, evening, and into the night with red light at stand.
2. Crossbow. Typically sitting at a corn feeder. Early morning, evening, and into the night with red light at stand.
3. Vintage Model 1892 and 1873 while spot and stalk in the thick woods on my property. I keep a the trails cleared and real quiet.
4. .308 caliber with night vision scope for bright moonlit nights. It may as well be daytime.
5. .308 with thermal viewing scope for any night that is pitch black. Nothing can hide from this scope.

And best of all. The yare pretty darn tasty.
Michael

When do the rest of us get to get in on the fun? I saw a great YouTube video called "Heli-Hogging" ….. shooting from a helicopter…. NOW THAT LOOKED FUN!!

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Keep shooting at them you upstate New Yorkers.with any luck you will scare some up to Canada. Is there much bacon on those critters?
We are actually getting some of your wildlife moving up here , like Possums, and some things not desirable too, such as Deer ticks with Lyme disease

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I have one of these routledge bore model 61’s In the mid 80’s someone gave it to the goodwill where my brother worked. He got it and traded to me for very little . I found a new old stock regular .22 barrel from gunparts corp in the late 80’s and had a gunsmith put on the gun. I almost threw the shot barrell away but left in gun cabinat all these years. I did not realize so few were made. the SN # is 47054. The rifle is in good condition. I am wondering what the value may be. It has the .22 smoothbore for the first 10 1/2″ and .375 bore for the remaining 13 1/2″ with shotgun bead.

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I have now logged 48 known routledge bored model 61’s. As always, condition is critical to any valuation. I responded to your post on another forum. Basically, if you could post some quality pictures that always helps.

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 I see a lot of “shot only” guns called Routledge.  Is that correct?

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renegade said

I am trying to build a database of known serial numbers for the alleged 77 guns that were produced in the 1939-1940 range or serial number range of 45,000 – 47,000.

Please let me know if you have or know of any of those smoothbores. I have 12 serial numbers as of now.

 

Unbelievable……………….. I now have 52 of the 77 Routledge Bore serial numbers cataloged!!!

 

Thanks to all for your input and keep em coming!!

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i have a 61 routledge s#47024

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rimmer said

i have a 61 routledge s#47024

Can you send pictures? What does the barrel marking say?

 

thanks for your help!!

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How about Key, book on 61’s saw him at Tulsa he had one and also a shot 

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Got the number from Charlie for the one he had in Tulsa

Thanks for the post!

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