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Just wondering if any one is doing a survey on the Model 1886.Did not see one listed on the Research Survey list.Have a couple of rifles if any one is doing a survey.
The 86 records have been gone through, compiled and published in the Spring 1991 issue page 39 of the Winchester Collector.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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I looked up that issue and found survey results for the Model 1866 (Yellowboy) but not for the Model 1886 (John M. Browning design). Turns out the title of the article has an error (typo) and states 1866 but the data is for the 1886 model.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Is the person who wrote the article still looking for more rifles to add to the list or is the project closed?As I had stated earlier, I have a couple of rifles that could be added.
From the post above it would appear that the article was written by going through the records of the Model 1886 and not a survey.It is my understanding that certain blocks of 1886 records are missing from these records.Could be wrong ,but that is my understanding at the present time.
John Madl has been doing research on the 1886 for the past 30+ years, a lot of data and specifics can be found in his book that was published about 6-7 years ago. Generally John is the guy that most folks call when they want to authenticate a rare or unusual 1886.
January 26, 2011
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Here is the link to John Madl’s 1886 info and book. I don’t know if he is looking for any survey rifles. There are records for the majority of 1886’s and there had been a study of the existing records completed and re-checked by several individuals. Out of approx. 157,000, there are 4800 missing records (146,000 thru 150,799) according to Johns book.
http://www.lssu.edu/faculty/jmadl/
Hope this helps,
~Gary~
Thanks for the link.One of the 1886 rifles I have, falls in the number of the missing records.
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I happen to own 150418 which also falls in the no records range. Its a 33 WCF 1/2 mag w/ crescent butt. Its in fairly low condition, but has a very faint Browning Bros. stamp on the barrel which always made it a little more appealing. I have a deal made to get that one sold fairly soon. I always wished it was letterable.
~Gary~
If we believe that 160,000 Model 1886s were made (the highest known serial number is 159997), there are 8,200 missing ledger records. John Madl and John Hawk completed a very extensive survey of the surviving 151,800 records. A survey could be created for serial numbers 146000 – 150799 and 156600 – 160000 to supplement the existing survey.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert,
Is this your new assignment? I know you do not have much to do, do you? Hi….
Walter
wallyb said
Bert,
Is this your new assignment? I know you do not have much to do, do you? Hi….
Walter
Walter,
Sure… but you are now my No. 1 assistant in this survey…
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I am going to put together an excel spreadsheet today, and with it the list of items to include in the survey. Inputs from all interested collectors will be appreciated. Contact me via PM or email with your suggestions.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Has there been any updates or additions to the 1886 survey. I’ve tried John Madl email & phone number from the survey binder he published but these are now obsolete. Considering it has a 2003 publishing date, it would appear he’s moved and no longer at the University, retired, or maybe deceased.
In any event does anyone have a link or new contact info for him or his survey ?.
Thanks
John is still alive and well, and researching the 1886. I was in email contact recently with him. I bought a copy of his very well researched book. Maybe shoot him another email?
Chris
A man can never have too many WINCHESTERS...
Aussie Chris said
John is still alive and well, and researching the 1886. I was in email contact recently with him. I bought a copy of his very well researched book. Maybe shoot him another email?Chris
Thanks Chris. Would you happen to have his email?
Here’s the survey information with contacts published in the last issue of the magazine:
Email address to John Madl was successful. Thank you again Aussie Chris & Brad Dunbar.
If you have a Model 1886 that is in the 146000 – 160000 serial range, please get in touch with Mark or myself…
[email protected] or [email protected].
Currently, we have documented (surveyed) nearly (500) of the Model 1886s of the 8,200 that have missing records. We expanded the survey to include all serial numbers > 146000.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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