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1901 model ’94 rifle– I can’t recall seeing another trigger having this small post. Is it a modification, or do I just need more old Winchesters to clean in order to find these?
Is it to shorten trigger travel? -or- Did someone take too much metal off the trigger or the sear and added this post to keep the mechanism functioning?
Ive never noticed that before. Will look through a bunch of parts over the weekend to see if I can come up with something similar. That little pin looks like it would bear against the bottom side of the sear directly below where the spring seats on the little ledge on the sear. Can you show a photo of the side profile, it doesnt look like that pin is very high. There isnt a lot of room between the back end of the sear and where it hinges or bears against the trigger, it seems like that pin would get in the way. The trigger assembly isnt one of those things that normally gets taken apart to take a peek. Interesting….
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The post has been on there quite a while–the sear shows shiny wear where they meet.
From the profile view it looks like its fairly short and would not likely interfere between the action of the trigger and sear as I mentioned earlier. Still perplexed by it but you may well be right that it was put there to either shorten or take up the spacing between the trigger and sear. I wonder if a batch of triggers were milled incorrectly and this was the solution? Or maybe the seer?? Will see what I can come up with looking through parts over the weekend. I almost want to say I have seen something like it before a long time ago–back in the days when I used to like to take things apart but cant say with any degree of certainty.
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I’ve assembled the rifle and will be shooting it tomorrow. The next time I dig into another ’94, I’ll take the sear and trigger out of this one again and compare dimensions and angles.
I can play with a few of my rifles to see if there is a noticeable difference in the feel of the triggers. AND I’ll enjoy it! Life feels best when cradling a Winchester.
So, now I’m cleaning another rifle. But I’d prefer to not yet take the odd-trigger one apart.
My other ’94’s seemed to have a fairly consistent travel among their triggers. I could get accurate measurements, but it’s coming up to Midnight, and I have a nice rifle to finish cleaning and assembling tonight! So far, one of my rifles appears to match the odd one at the point where the slack ends. On the base line(?)—-On the left side of the trigger where the curved finger area meets the flat—-normally, as you pull the trigger the base line of the flat comes to horizontal (some nearly horizontal) with the line of the lower tang. That base line on the odd one and the line on a rifle one to two years younger line up nearly the same at the hammer’s release. So that is why I’m cleaning another rifle tonight, had to see if it had a post too.
The only difference I noted in the odd one compared to several other rifles–the bottom of the trigger barely touches the lever at the end of a pull. From the wear on the lever, it has been touching for quite a while. This brings the question, did they add the post to shorten the back end of the trigger pull? But that wouldn’t make sense. It travels about as far as normal triggers in playing with it. And if you needed to have a trigger not touch the lever, why not get out a file and take a bit off the back-bottom of the trigger? Or heat it and put a bit more forward curve to it? Much more simple than messing with the trigger/sear relationship.
Right now, I’m thinking you might have nailed it, that someone took off metal and had to add the post to get the trigger to work properly. After I shoot tomorrow–within the next week, I’ll take the odd trigger out and look more closely at it.
I have a .25-35 that has a wonderfully light trigger pull. Likely compare the trigger and sear in it with the odd one. That way I can maybe see what makes it such a perfect pull.
I have seen modifications like that before, just not on an 1894. Theory is that if you reduce the surface contact area, you reduce the available friction points; smaller surface area=less friction = lighter and smoother trigger pull.
A modification such as the one shown would also reduce the take-up ie..slack between trigger and sear.
That’s good to know. I can understand taking up the slack on this rifle. The pull–seems they would have done a bit more smithing to reduce the needed force. The pull is nothing to be excited about. I prefer light, short, crisp triggers, so two out of three on this rifle is a plus.
Reducing the trigger to sear bearing area was just one small piece in making for a smoother trigger and reducing trigger pull. The above combined with reducing sear to hammer engagement area, changing engagement angles between the sear and hammer, lighter trigger/hammer springs, polishing all bearing surfaces etc. There was and still is quite a science to producing a quality trigger pull.
As to the example shown, I have no definitive answer as to the motivation behind the modification.
Seems to me this is a simplified approach to getting some of the effect of a single-set trigger, albeit without the ability to adjust the pull but also without all the intricate parts of the single-set trigger.
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