Looks like a 94 to me.
Bob
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1894 Takedown? The receiver looks “long”.
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It looks like an 1894 at first glance but like you mentioned JWA, the receiver looks a little long. Cant see any TD lever when I enhanced the photo.
The curvature of the top side of the receiver at the hammer, the longer receiver length, and the sharpness of the buttstock comb at the wrist (unless that is a blemish on the photo) and the width of the wood at the butt makes me think its a round barrel 1886. Really hard to tell.
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JWA said
1894 Takedown? The receiver looks “long”.
I would agree that it appears to be a takedown frame. The receiver width is approximately 55% of the fore end length on a solid frame rifle but the receiver and takedown ring width is closer to 64% of the fore end length on a takedown frame.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
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Look at the lines of the lower edges of the receiver and buttstock, the 1886 has a less severe drop in the angle of the buttstock than does the 1894. The less sharp angle/shape of the receiver at the hammer and the curvature from the hammer down to the upper tang at the wood makes it hard for me to envision as an 1894.
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The rear of the receiver near the hammer looks more slanted to me than the vertical look of a 1894. The bulge at the bottom of the receiver also looks parallel to the wrist of the stock, where a 1894 has a slight slant and curl where it attaches to the butt stock. I don’t believe it is a takedown. I have looked at the original photo with a loop and I cannot see a take down lever or crease at the barrel frame area. Thanks for the assistance
If these sharp-eyed guys can’t identify it then there is just not enough detail in the photo. I am FAR from being knowledgeable on lever actions but my rule of thumb for a standard 1894 is the length of the lever and trigger guard assembly is roughly equivalent to the receiver length in a vintage photo and the rifle in question does not meet that criteria so it is something else other than a standard solid frame 1894 in my mind.
Cool picture by the way. A relative?
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August 11, 2015
Thank you for the comments. It is a long story but I have been trying to track down my uncle’s rifle for over 30 years and I finally found it and purchased it last week. He passed away while I was in the service and my dad didn’t know where the rifle went. My dad and all his siblings have long passed. While I was discussing the rifle a neighbor gave me this photo of my grandfather with a rifle that I believe is the same rifle. This picture was taken in the 1920’s. I expect deer hunting. The rifle pictured below has been rebarreled (currently 33WCF) as it has a 25K serial number. I suspect that for some reason the original barrel/magazine was damaged, a fall, etc. and needed to be replaced. I remember my dad talking about a 38-56 and I wonder if that is the rifle pictured with my grandfather. The 38-56 and 33 WCF are not much different and may have been an easy conversion. My uncle suffered terribly, mentally and physically, from his WWII war wounds. He did not have much and survived on his pension, hence the condition of the rifle with his name carved on it. Thank you for the information. I’m just starting my research so thanks to all for the assistance and comments. Even if it is not the same rifle, I’m excited to have the old work horse back in the family, warts and all.
Regards,
CC
Well, CPC.
The magazine tube on the Model 1886 shown in the second picture, looks to be cut down from a full length tube.
The end cap on the magazine tube is the flat type,
Not the rounded type cap, used on a shorter length magazine tube.
Ya might want to pull the forend wood and mag tube off and check the barrel date, if there is one.
Thanks for the pictures and great story.
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"Instead of The Space Age"
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Can’t tell you too much about the rifle, but looking at the distance between that dog’s eyes in relation to the length of his foreleg, I’d say that is definitely Michigan snow on the ground. And your Grandfather looks to be wearing a coat he received as a Christmas or as a birthday gift. So maybe a January photo?
FromTheWoods said
Can’t tell you too much about the rifle, but looking at the distance between that dog’s eyes in relation to the length of his foreleg, I’d say that is definitely Michigan snow on the ground. And your Grandfather looks to be wearing a coat he received as a Christmas or as a birthday gift. So maybe a January photo?
Somebody has been watching too much Sherlock Holmes!!!
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
FromTheWoods said
Can’t tell you too much about the rifle, but looking at the distance between that dog’s eyes in relation to the length of his foreleg, I’d say that is definitely Michigan snow on the ground. And your Grandfather looks to be wearing a coat he received as a Christmas or as a birthday gift. So maybe a January photo?
Thanks for the comment and keen observations! It is the UP of Michigan and I obtained the picture from the fellow that currently owns the house in the background. Back in the day if it was January there would be upwards of 2-3ft or more of snow on the ground. We only had about a foot and a half when I was up there last week but it has since warmed up above freezing. As a kid, we always had tracking snow during the November deer season and sometimes a foot or more by the end of the hunt. I believe it was November ish, while I suspect that at times the family extended the season, I think January would be a little late. I don’t think the gentleman would have risked his sled dogs on bear or wolf at that time. They were too important for his fishing operations.
regards,
CC
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